Listening to certain songs

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Tbolt 1000,

I listen to Christian rock, some of it is kind of heavy and I find it hot, apealing, energizing, you name it, I think you should give it a shot. The lyrics are squeeky clean and no, Christian Rockers are not “trying to look good”, they just prefer to mix a good music with good clean lyrics, nothing wrong with that, au contraire. Anybody who has a problem with Chrisitan Rock has problem with themselves only and that’s a whole different thread.

Speaking of a Christian music, here is a song that I really like:

Fearless by Bldg 429

…and another:

Jeremy Camp’s Take me back
 
ATBAC said:
…Anybody who has a problem with Chrisitan Rock has problem with themselves only and that’s a whole different thread.

Speaking of a Christian music, here is a song that I really like:

Fearless by Bldg 429
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a song about a couple of missionaries seems, on its face, to be inexcusably a bore. I’d much rather watch the stones do Sympathy for the devil.
 
Sonoran_John said:
This is something I struggle with as well. I really enjoy my rock and roll. I do wish there was some good Christian rock. There just isnt and those of you who think there is are fooling yourselves. The talent just is not there. This is something else I ponder a lot. If the talent is all in the rock and roll with questionable lyrics and not in the Christian music, what does that mean?
Maybe the Lord does not want us listening to rock and roll? I just dont know the answer. Give me a band with the consistent musical talent of Metallica or other bands and I will listen to it. I do try to convince myself that U2 is a Christian rock band but I have my doubts there as well.
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I have to agree. Most Christian rock today is not that great, because of the style of the music. In fact, a lot of it sounds manufactured to me. There are some older bans, like Petra, who are great musically, but I don’t agree with all of the lyrics, because I don’t agree with some of their theology.

Blasphemous or Satanic lyrics really bother me, because ofmy fear of the Devil, so I try to avoid those types of lyrics. As I said before, I’m usually not tempted by sexual lyrics, because of my strong convictions. For example, I can even listen to a song about a guy walking the streets looking for a prostitute, and I don’t let the lyrics bother me because I know they’re wrong. However, if I like the music, I’ll still listen to the song for it’s musical value.
 
Wirraway said:
a song about a couple of missionaries seems, on its face, to be inexcusably a bore. I’d much rather watch the stones do Sympathy for the devil.
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I see you didn’t even pay attention to the lyrics. As far as sympathy for the devil, singing that…
Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
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is not a bore? songs like that are the ones that get into stupid kids’ head and get them to act “accordingly”. I personally don’t believe every cop is criminal and being a sinner I don’t think I am a saint. Have at it, I am very content with my Christian music and I’ll continue to pick it over any other, though I’ve been there and done that, but still, I prefer Jesus related rock.
 
Btw Wirraway,

Musically speaking that stones song sucks because it is simply so boring and outdated.
 
I guess if you think that music should be listened to only for solemn reflection, or worship, then any kind of secular music (including classical) could be wrong.

However, IF listening for entertainment is okay, then why would you listen to something that wasn’t entertaining? It kind of defeats the purpose. Why listen to boring music just because it has the ‘right’ lyrics?
 
cynic said:
I guess if you think that music should be listened to only for solemn reflection, or worship, then any kind of secular music (including classical) could be wrong.

However, IF listening for entertainment is okay, then why would you listen to something that wasn’t entertaining? It kind of defeats the purpose. Why listen to boring music just because it has the ‘right’ lyrics?
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Well now you’re implying that you listen to music for only one reason. Why not listen for entertainment but also for sound lyrical content, even if the music isn’t particularly entertaining? They’re not mutually exclusive reasons.
 
Padilla7921 said:
Well now you’re implying that you listen to music for only one reason. Why not listen for entertainment but also for sound lyrical content, even if the music isn’t particularly entertaining? They’re not mutually exclusive reasons.
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I would rather listen to something that has genuine emotional impact, for e.g Tim Buckley, even though there might be some dodgy ‘themes’ in the lyrics, than some bland preachy thing where the music is an incidental part of the message. There’s plenty of classic non-rock, non-hiphop music out there, like soul (think Al Green, Marvin Gaye etc). that doesn’t rely on aggression, profanity or noise to make it’s point. Just genius songwriting.

Why is it that Christian artists can’t write anything like that? Simple - they are ‘repressed’, so to speak (I hate using that word)
 
cynic said:
I would rather listen to something that has genuine emotional impact, for e.g Tim Buckley, even though there might be some dodgy ‘themes’ in the lyrics, than some bland preachy thing where the music is an incidental part of the message.
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good music does speak to a wide range of human emotions: exhilaration; rebelliousness; introspection; deep loss; what-ifs; yea, even drinking, and sex. people demanding a Wholesome Message all the time and everywhere need to unwind and climb down from the ceiling or possibly just experience life.
 
cynic said:
I would rather listen to something that has genuine emotional impact, for e.g Tim Buckley, even though there might be some dodgy ‘themes’ in the lyrics, than some bland preachy thing where the music is an incidental part of the message. There’s plenty of classic non-rock, non-hiphop music out there, like soul (think Al Green, Marvin Gaye etc). that doesn’t rely on aggression, profanity or noise to make it’s point. Just genius songwriting.

Why is it that Christian artists can’t write anything like that? Simple - they are ‘repressed’, so to speak (I hate using that word)
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I listen to music for various reasons. I don’t have any specific criteria that a song needs to pass in order for me to listen to it. I listen to music that simply sounds good, that entertains me. I listen to music that has good lyrical content (and not just what is traditionally considered to be “wholesome,” but rather, I like artistic and/or philosophical depth). There are tons of different types of music that appeal to me, not just a specific genre.

And to answer your question about Christian artists, they can. A few of the Christian bands I listen to are actually rather good (Haste the Day or Dead Poetic stand out most prominently).

It seems we have a ton of generalizing and stereotyping going on. According to a few people, “secular” music is of no honorable value while Christian music lacks valid artistic merit. There’s good music and there’s bad music and it’s usually not dependent on your spiritual orientation.
 
CTA1967 said:
How does “outdated” make a band bad?
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we are not comparing bands here, but rather songs. And speaking of bands, I’d rather he picks PinkFloyd for example, their rock is 1st Class and so are their lyrics.
 
Wirraway said:
do you see Him as a bass player or on lead guitar? and would He windmill* ala* pete townshend?
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:rotfl: I saw Pete swing his mic’s cord around with the mic a the end of it in concert up in Oackland California once!!! If I want to be mean I’d also mention that Townshend was involved in child pornography case in late 90’s or early 00’s. But since you don’t seem to be the hostile type I’ll just go ahead and strike that last one.

To come back to Jesus, I’d say yes I would, why not. Every single thing that I have come to know and enjoy, among which, quite few that I made no effort to conquer, He just went ahead and handed over to me. Other things I wanted to access, and He for some reason would not allow me. This tells me He does have dominion over me and them to be able to do that. Rock is one of them.
 
cynic said:
I would rather listen to something that has genuine emotional impact, for e.g Tim Buckley, even though there might be some dodgy ‘themes’ in the lyrics, than some bland preachy thing where the music is an incidental part of the message. There’s plenty of classic non-rock, non-hiphop music out there, like soul (think Al Green, Marvin Gaye etc). that doesn’t rely on aggression, profanity or noise to make it’s point. Just genius songwriting.

Why is it that Christian artists can’t write anything like that? Simple - they are ‘repressed’, so to speak (I hate using that word)
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Ummm, for questionable lyrical content you turn to Marvin Gaye and Al Green? Don’t get me wrong, I love both of them, but they sang about sex A LOT!!! “When I get that feelin, I want sexual healin.” There’s a lot of genius songwriting in rock music as well, and so what if some of it relies on aggression. Sometimes, you just want to be mad, and you just need to vent, and listening to a bangin rock song helps. I’ve tried to listen to Christian rock, several times, and it all seems so, so, factory. “Golly gee whiz, our God is an Awesome God!” It wears on you after a while, and you just need a good dose of reality.
 
ATBAC said:
:rotfl: I saw Pete swing his mic’s cord around with the mic a the end of it in concert up in Oackland California once!!! If I want to be mean I’d also mention that Townshend was involved in child pornography case in late 90’s or early 00’s. But since you don’t seem to be the hostile type I’ll just go ahead and strike that last one.
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I imagine it was probably Roger Daltrey who was swinging his mic around. And I don’t know the exact details, but I think the scandal was because he was writing a book about child pornography.
 
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