Liturgical Abuses in the Middle Ages! (If You Think You Have It Bad . . .)

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I’m almost finished reading Sheldon Cheny’s masterly book The Theatre: Three Thousand Years of Drama, Acting and Stagecraft.

In “Chapter VI: The Theatre in the Church” he notes the various abuses that liturgical theatre brought to the churches. Turns out many of the Medieval Miracles and Mysteries used to actually be incorporated into the Mass, and it wasn’t until they got too elaborate and rediculous that they were taken outside.

Connected with this, the book notes the various mockeries and blasphemies connected with the Feast of Fools, and the abuses carried on by clergy within the Mass itself!

If you think you’ve got it bad at your parish, wait till you see this!

For the feast of the Circumcision every year, many medieval parishes had a “Mass of the Asses,” and here’s what when on during Mass:
Priest and clargy wearing masks at Divine Office
Clergy dancing in the sanctuary dressed as women and minstrels
Clergy eating sausages at the altar while the celebrant is saying Mass
Incense with vile incense made from filthy old shoe soles
Singing the Chants of the day with screeches and nonsense syllables
singing from upside down service books
blowing ashes from the censer around the church
wearing torn or inside-out vestments
runnning and leaping shamelessly through the church
During Mass, a donkey was brought into the church and led to the altar.
During the Mass, the Introit, Kyrie, Gloria and Credo ended with donkey brays, and instead of the dismissal, the priest was directed to bray 3 times (ter hinhinnabit) with the congregation braying in response!
And during Vespers:
During the Magnificat verse " And he hath put down the mighty…", an elected Boy-Bishop was put on the Bishop’s throne, and dressed in full vestments.
The Boy-Bishop was crowned with 3 buckets of water and a crown of leaves.
These abuses were condemned by the Church, but went on anyway for centuries, and were not ended until about the time of the Council of Trent!

You can find the actual text of the Mass of the Asses here.

All this can be confirmed by the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Pretty disturbing, huh?

As I noted in another thread, in Luther’s day many priests, after consecrating the host, and in mockery of transubstantiation would place the Body back on the patents and chant: “Bread thou art, and bread thou wilt remain!” Luther actually witnessed this in Rome itself!

So liturgical abuse is nothing new, and if the medievals had to put up with these buffoneries for centuries, maybe we should be prepared to do so too! 😦

On a related note, from talking to my Sicilian parents and grandparents I can say that the ancient, venerable practice of mocking Church holy days still existed in my parents’ day, though by then these things occurred outside of church. For example, on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, my dad’s friends would go and steal carriages and other wooden property from their neighbors, and light it all in one great big bonfire!

It seems to me that Catholic Europe has always had a cynical, anticlerical strain, and with it has always come some sort of religious mockery, and that the local clergy themselves have not been immune to it, often incorporating it into the liturgy. In places like Ireland and America, where the faith was tried and persecuted, Catholics seem to have been almost immune to these abuses, but it seems those days are over.

Any thoughts?
 
Well thank you I got a good laught. These people were so ignorant it is laughable. Maybe we should laugh at these people today but I think they would give them encouragment…

Sunday At mass, I left my local parish because of abuses and went to another parish. last sunday at another parish 3 nuns were laughing at the priests sermon because he compared orbiting choirs of angels to orbiting satelites.

The priest failed to see the function of orbiting comunication satelites with data and information. All available from request by orbiting choirs of angels.
 
From Post#1:
So liturgical abuse is nothing new, and if the medievals had to put up with these buffoneries for centuries, maybe we should be prepared to do so too!
Why?
Must we learn nothing?
If Trent shut it down, shouldn’t we imitate successful edicts and discipline?
I can’t understand going backwards as necessary!
 
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TNT:
From Post#1:

Why?
Must we learn nothing?
If Trent shut it down, shouldn’t we imitate successful edicts and discipline?
I can’t understand going backwards as necessary!
Unfortunatly we are talking generations later… How quickly people forget. It is human nature.
 
What truely frightens me concerning liturgical abuses is I am a NEW Catholic Christian.

I have no experience in my background inwhich to gage what is right or wrong concerning the way a proper Holy Mass is conducted. I have to ask questions and rely their opinions.

I read the CCC and follow the Missel as best I can, but unless it is obvious, I may not recognize a liturgical abuse. :confused:

I have found the fullness of the faith within the Catholic Church, but am I being to “idealistic” or to “closed” minded to expect basically the same Holy Mass celebrated in EVERY Catholic Church?
 
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mkw:
What truely frightens me concerning liturgical abuses is I am a NEW Catholic Christian.

I have no experience in my background inwhich to gage what is right or wrong concerning the way a proper Holy Mass is conducted. I have to ask questions and rely their opinions.

I read the CCC and follow the Missel as best I can, but unless it is obvious, I may not recognize a liturgical abuse. :confused:

I have found the fullness of the faith within the Catholic Church, but am I being to “idealistic” or to “closed” minded to expect basically the same Holy Mass celebrated in EVERY Catholic Church?
Some are obvious and some are not… I tend to look at the glass more half full than some people here. Probably because I do attend a good NOM… To tell you the truth, I question things a lot more now that I have been on this site. I have to remember to stay focused. There is the potiential for both Masses to be good. The problem with Vatican II from what I can see is it left too much to interpretation from bishops and priest… or at least some of them see it that way. My priest was talking about this on Sunday. Reverance has died a bit among some, they don’t see it as a mortal sin even missing Mass. I have been a Catholic my whole life and just feel like I am really learning. I always used to follow along because my faith told me to do so… Now, I want to know about every detail and why we do things a certain way… And, why liturgical abuses have hurt our Church.
 
I don’t think holding hands is “childish rubbish” but expresses a sense of community and charity that the members of the congregation should be striving for. It is a wonderful represntation of being one body. Physical communion is not that, because some memebrs are too young to recieve it, or abstain becuase they are not communicants yet or in mortal sin. I think that prayer is the great unifier for everyone.

I was disturbed by a parish a visited this past sunday, where not only did most people not hold hands, but many refused to shake hands for peace too. I thought it was rude and detached; a sign that concern for the other is seriously lacking.

I think the worse absue of mass is the stand offish behavior, to run in say your prayers and leave as is it is only about me and God. God wants us to love him through everyone else too, not just thorugh the eucharist. Loving him throught the eucharist is not enough. Man of the church’s doctors state that God loved us before we loved him. The only way we can repay him is by loving our neighbor, as God loved us, without us knowing him.

There seems to be much lack of this love and charity towards others on this forum. Have sympathy if the priest has difficulty with English. If the church in the US was better managed, than vocations would not be an issue and there would be a sufficient number of priest who can speak the language of the congregation.

The greatest abuse is lack of charity towards neighbour and (name removed by moderator)roper spirit for celebraiton. We shoudl eb as one family. We shoudl eb singing together and there from beginnign to end, and embrace all as our brothers and sisters. Not whine about their Enlgish, and them touching us, and leavine as soon as we can.
 
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AmyS:
Unfortunatly we are talking generations later… How quickly people forget. It is human nature.
The larger point is: Why would the Church quickly forget? She is the Teacher. She knows Her history, she knows, constantly the cures for liturgical ills.
 
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mkw:
What truely frightens me concerning liturgical abuses is I am a NEW Catholic Christian.

I have no experience in my background in which to gage what is right or wrong concerning the way a proper Holy Mass is conducted. I have to ask questions and rely their opinions.

I have found the fullness of the faith within the Catholic Church, but am I being to “idealistic” or to “closed” minded to expect basically the same Holy Mass celebrated in EVERY Catholic Church?
Pick up the phone an call the nearest of the following.

Corpus Christi Chapel
130 Old Liberty Pike, Franklin, TN 37064
Fr. Gregory Post, (615) 791-8776, 794-4203
SSPX, 1st/3rd SU 9 am

St. John the Evangelist Priory
300 Locke Ln., Benton TN 37307
(423) 338-2328, www.sovorderofsaintjohn.org, osj@wingnet.net
SU 11 am, M-SA 9 am

Mass Site
Bradley Square Mall, Cleveland, TN 37311
Fr. Neal Webster, (865) 693-1889, dierich1@yahoo.com
SU 9 am

St. Stephen Church
7111 Lee Hwy., Chattanooga, TN 37421
Fr. Robert Fromageot, FSSP, (423) 892-1261
Diocese, 1st SU 5 pm

Mass Site
Outlook Pointe Assisted Living Facility, Gleason Rd., Knoxville, TN 37919
Fr. Neal Webster, (865) 693-1889, dierich1@yahoo.com
SU 1 pm

St. Cecilia Roman Catholic Church
28 Peebles Rd., Memphis, TN 38109
Fr. John Young, (901) 826-0393, 755-5545
SSPX, 2nd/4th/5th SU 2 pm

Blessed Sacrament Church
2564 Hale Ave., Memphis, TN 38112
Msgr. Edward Heymer, (901) 452-1543
Diocese, SU 9:30 am, Holydays vary

Seek and you shall find… that’s a promise you can count on.
 
serendipity From Post #8:
I don’t think holding hands is “childish rubbish” but expresses a sense of community and charity that the members of the congregation should be striving for. …
You post reveals the reason for your chosen name.
God Bless
 
TNT said:
Pick up the phone an call the nearest of the following.

Corpus Christi Chapel
130 Old Liberty Pike, Franklin, TN 37064
Fr. Gregory Post, (615) 791-8776, 794-4203
SSPX, 1st/3rd SU 9 am

St. John the Evangelist Priory
300 Locke Ln., Benton TN 37307
(423) 338-2328, www.sovorderofsaintjohn.org, osj@wingnet.net
SU 11 am, M-SA 9 am

Mass Site
Bradley Square Mall, Cleveland, TN 37311
Fr. Neal Webster, (865) 693-1889, dierich1@yahoo.com
SU 9 am

St. Stephen Church
7111 Lee Hwy., Chattanooga, TN 37421
Fr. Robert Fromageot, FSSP, (423) 892-1261
Diocese, 1st SU 5 pm

Mass Site
Outlook Pointe Assisted Living Facility, Gleason Rd., Knoxville, TN 37919
Fr. Neal Webster, (865) 693-1889, dierich1@yahoo.com
SU 1 pm

St. Cecilia Roman Catholic Church
28 Peebles Rd., Memphis, TN 38109
Fr. John Young, (901) 826-0393, 755-5545
SSPX, 2nd/4th/5th SU 2 pm

Blessed Sacrament Church
2564 Hale Ave., Memphis, TN 38112
Msgr. Edward Heymer, (901) 452-1543
Diocese, SU 9:30 am, Holydays vary

Seek and you shall find… that’s a promise you can count on.

I think sending a preson to a SSPX mass is just as bad as the liturgical abuses you have condemed… I think that mkw should look at the web site for the Diocese mkw goes to and go from there. That is if mkw wants to go to a TLM mass. Sending mkw to a SSPX is bad advice especially for someone who is already confused.
 
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TNT:
The larger point is: Why would the Church quickly forget? She is the Teacher. She knows Her history, she knows, constantly the cures for liturgical ills.
I have said before that the Church teaches nothing… It is the Holy Spirit that teaches through the Church which is a vessel… The abuses aren’t being done by the Church, but, those who want to mislead, or have their own agenda. SSPX included.
 
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AmyS:
I think sending a preson to a SSPX mass is just as bad as the liturgical abuses you have condemed…
Oh? What’s wrong with SSPX Masses?
 
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AmyS:
I think sending a preson to a SSPX mass is just as bad as the liturgical abuses you have condemed… I think that mkw should look at the web site for the Diocese mkw goes to and go from there. That is if mkw wants to go to a TLM mass. Sending mkw to a SSPX is bad advice especially for someone who is already confused.
Actually, I said PHONE not go to any Mass. I bolded the Indults, but if they are no where near home, what’s the use?
Hopefully an Indult is near. BUT, if not available, SSPX satisfies Sunday obligation…without the abuse…no? Attending a TLM at SSPX in no way is the same as joining their cause. The Vatican makes that distinction in its qualified permission to attend SSPX TLM.
I have said before that the Church teaches nothing… It is the Holy Spirit that teaches through the Church which is a vessel… The abuses aren’t being done by the Church, but, those who want to mislead, or have their own agenda. SSPX included.
I did not say or mean that the Chuch causes any abuse. She is the corrector thereof.
I am directly instructed by the Church, no matter Who is behind Her. She is our visible guardian of the Faith and morals. The Church and Scripture claims She is the Body of Christ, not a vessel. That’s good enough for my edification.No? I don’t always seem to hear the Holy Spirit, besides, maybe it’s some other clever spirit who is deceiving me, but I always hear the Church when She speaks.

The problem is, always was, that some churchmen refuse to enforce her disciplines. Or treat as of no consequence the fact that their neglect is devestating the faithful.
the Church teaches nothing
Anybody disagree with this?
Besides St Matthew.
Matt: 18:17 And if he will not hear them: tell the Church. And if he will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
 
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AmyS:
SSPX is schismatic…
Oh please! That’s nonsense. The founder (Archbishop LeFebvre)was thought to be excommunicated due to disobedience, which is a far cry from schism.

As far as I know, though, the Archbishop was later “exonerated” of the charge of disobedience.

The society itself has never been in schism or been accused of schism.
 
Anybody disagree with this?
Besides St Matthew.
Matt: 18:17 And if he will not hear them: tell the Church. And if he will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Look at exactly what I am saying… Who doing you think the Church gets its authority from? Itself? No… The Church gets its authority from God… The Holy Spirit moves through the Church and it is the Holy Spirit that is called upon through out the actions of the Church… When Transubstanation takes place it happens because the power of the Holy Spirit, not the power of my priest.

I hear the Church… Trust me. That is one reason I have a problem with SSPX. They don’t hear the Church.
I did not say or mean that the Chuch causes any abuse. She is the corrector thereof.
I am directly instructed by the Church, no matter Who is behind Her. She is our visible guardian of the Faith and morals. The Church and Scripture claims She is the Body of Christ, not a vessel. That’s good enough for my edification.No? I don’t always seem to hear the Holy Spirit, besides, maybe it’s some other clever spirit who is deceiving me, but I always hear the Church when She speaks.
The problem is, always was, that some churchmen refuse to enforce her disciplines. Or treat as of no consequence the fact that their neglect is devestating the faithful.
I don’t always do well with making my point, but, if you look at what you wrote and what I wrote it is the point I am trying to make. That is what I meant by the Church teaches nothing, meaning the people teach nothing without the power of the Holy Spirit. Does that make more sense?
 
Munda cor meum:
Oh please! That’s nonsense. The founder (Archbishop LeFebvre)was thought to be excommunicated due to disobedience, which is a far cry from schism.

As far as I know, though, the Archbishop was later “exonerated” of the charge of disobedience.

The society itself has never been in schism or been accused of schism.
Yes they are, the bishops and priest that is. Jimmy Akins has an wonderful article on it on his site. Read about it on the Vatican website to. They have been and are still. I didn’t make the decision, it is a fact… And, I don’t have anything against them as people… I have said before that my bestfriend attends a SSPX church. And, I pray for their reunification with the Church.
 
Munda cor meum:
Oh please! That’s nonsense. The founder (Archbishop LeFebvre)was thought to be excommunicated due to disobedience, which is a far cry from schism.

As far as I know, though, the Archbishop was later “exonerated” of the charge of disobedience.

The society itself has never been in schism or been accused of schism.
America is in SCHISM!!

That is the problem! I’m not concerned about some small approved order that decides it doesn’t want liturgical and doctrinal chaos. The bigger fish is the American hierarchy who do the opposite of the Popes intentions and directions.
 
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