Liturgical Dancers

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I meant to say the Bishop of the Sacramento diocese :o . I must have been a bit more than half asleep when I wrote that. Yes, he does seem to be really good about stopping abuses of mass. He also put a stop to the hand holding during the “Our Father” at our diocese (Sacramento) too.
 
As our priest moves forward working with our ‘liturgical committee’ on where the crucifix will be in our soon to be new church, and what ‘kind’ of cross/crucifix it’s going to be, and where the tabernacle will be, I’m going to forward him a pic of your church Marines (what an awesome sight - thank you), and of the ‘clown Mass’ (man, those 2 words should just never be next to each other; how pathetic). Anyway, we obviously will lean one way or the other as he contemplates the future of our parish and how our church building will contribute to that. I hope the answer, after comparing these pictures, will be obvious. I pray this doesn’t make its way into my parish. I just can’t believe this kind of irreverance goes on. It blows my mind. How can this go on and someone - even if it’s a Bishop from another diocese - not call the priests and Bishops to task? Is there no accountability among the Bishops in this country to keep check on each other?
 
I’ve seen them… and its sad because I’m sure its something that the child(ren) likes to do. and are just misguided. It happens during the Children’s Christmas Mass (in one form or the other) or other dancing/hand signals when [sometimes] children’s choir sings at Mass (though it happens as gestures during the closing song. I really have ask about this dancing thing…
 
Wow, this post is still alive!? I remember looking at it months ago. How sad that 10% are reporting that they have liturgical dancing in their masses. How can bishops and priests allow this silliness to go on? If I ever witness it personally I will walk out of that mass.
 
Catholic_Girl 9:
this jesuit is so “light in the loafers” that he probably floated away during his liturgical dance.
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I have just now recovered from my hysterical laughter over this comment! I laughed so hard, tears were running down my face - thanks for the laugh to start my day.

Aunt Martha
 
If they are training for the Olympics I hope they didn’t swim through the baptismal font to get to the parallel bars. God help us if this is the direction the Church is going in this country. Is there no accountability among the Bishops in this country to keep check on each other?

Marines- love that Mass picture. What I wouldn’t give for that kind of reverence in my parish. I’m not very techy - is there a way I can cut/copy that so I can print it out? I’d like to show it to my priest as we begin to build a new church and they are ‘considering’ where in the sanctuary a crucifix will be. I say front and center. I think I’m in the minority.
 
I answered “got it”, but it was at a parish I moved from a while ago. I didn’t know if it was right or wrong, but it was wierd and distracting. The parish was a bit over the top on a number of issues, (There was an “earth flag” hanging on the rectory, the pastor skipped the washing of the hands; thought it conveyed something bad about his worthiness or the like, etc) but the liturgical dancers were also among those out in the community handing out flyers about the sanctity of life.

Personally, I’m uncomfortable about it, and I understand the Church’s present instructions about it’s use in the west. I don’t want to cry foul here, just want to say that obedience is always a better way than “but I like this…”, especially in the GIRM and instructions from the Bishops.

When the Mass is executed, it, like dance, sends home a message far surpassing the specific words and movements. The faithfulness of the message is best guarded by obedience.
 
Here’s a quote from a q&a session with Cardinal Arinze on liturgical dancers. Note that he addresses papal masses too.

**Has liturgical dance been approved for Masses by your office?
There has never been a document from our Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments saying that dance is approved in the Mass.

The question of dance is difficult and delicate. However, it is good to know that the tradition of the Latin Church has not known the dance. It is something that people are introducing in the last ten years – or twenty years. It was not always so. Now it is spreading like wildfire, one can say, in all the continents – some more than others. In my own continent, Africa, it is spreading. In Asia, it is spreading.

Now, some priests and lay people think that Mass is never complete without dance. The difficulty is this: we come to Mass primarily to adore God – what we call the vertical dimension. We do not come to Mass to entertain one another. That’s not the purpose of Mass. The parish hall is for that.

So all those that want to entertain us – after Mass, let us go to the parish hall and then you can dance. And then we clap. But when we come to Mass we don’t come to clap. We don’t come to watch people, to admire people. We want to adore God, to thank Him, to ask Him pardon for our sins, and to ask Him for what we need.

Don’t misunderstand me, because when I said this at one place somebody said to me: “you are an African bishop. You Africans are always dancing. Why do you say we don’t dance?”

A moment – we Africans are not always dancing! [laughter]

Moreover, there is a difference between those who come in procession at Offertory; they bring their gifts, with joy. There is a movement of the body right and left. They bring their gifts to God. That is good, really. And some of the choir, they sing. They have a little bit of movement. Nobody is going to condemn that. And when you are going out again, a little movement, it’s all right.

But when you introduce wholesale, say, a ballerina, then I want to ask you what is it all about. What exactly are you arranging? When the people finish dancing in the Mass and then when the dance group finishes and people clap – don’t you see what it means? It means we have enjoyed it. We come for enjoyment. Repeat. So, there is something wrong. Whenever the people clap – there is something wrong – immediately. When they clap – a dance is done and they clap.

It is possible that there could be a dance that is so exquisite that it raises people’s minds to God, and they are praying and adoring God and when the dance is finished they are still wrapped up in prayer. But is that the type of dance you have seen? You see. It is not easy.

Most dances that are staged during Mass should have been done in the parish hall. And some of them are not even suitable for the parish hall.

I saw in one place – I will not tell you where – where they staged a dance during Mass, and that dance was offensive. It broke the rules of moral theology and modesty. Those who arranged it – they should have had their heads washed with a bucket of holy water! [laughter]

Why make the people of God suffer so much? Haven’t we enough problems already? Only Sunday, one hour, they come to adore God. And you bring a dance! Are you so poor you have nothing else to bring us? Shame on you! That’s how I feel about it.

Somebody can say, “but the pope visited this county and the people danced”. A moment: Did the pope arrange it? Poor Holy Father – he comes, the people arranged. He does not know what they arranged. And somebody introduces something funny – is the pope responsible for that? Does that mean it is now approved? Did they put in on the table of the Congregation for Divine Worship? We would throw it out! If people want to dance, they know where to go.**
 
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deogratias:
You can learn a lot about a parish by looking at their web site.

standrew-cfc.org/

Notice they list among their “lay ministries” both

Liturgical Dance
and
Eucharistic Ministers (Not EMHC)

See you in Church:D
I checked out this website and you need to know that that parish is of the American CC, Not Roman CC. It is a disident faction.
Dance might be one of their smaller problems!

We had a sister here for years that thought it was okay to do a wicken dance to the winds,etc, at Thanksgiving Day mass. People ran to any other parish on that day…thank God she retired with a little encouragemetn from the orthodox in our parish.

No more dancing, but still the hand holding during the Our Father. Baby steps.
 
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bellesjoy:
We had a sister here for years that thought it was okay to do a wicken dance to the winds,etc, at Thanksgiving Day mass. .
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bellesjoy:
No more dancing, but still the hand holding during the Our Father. Baby steps.
We got to the point in my old Charistmatic parish that I swear people were going to get out their Bics and wave during the Our Father.
I love watching the people who are visiting in my new Uber-Conservative parish, start to hold and raise hands only to look around and drop them to a hands folded position!
 
**We do not come to Mass to entertain one another. That’s not the purpose of Mass. The parish hall is for that. **

Correct!

“Mass is boring” I hear young (and old) people cry.

“Lets make it more entertaining” comes the reply.

“That’s not what I call entertainment” cry the young (and old), “that’s boring as well.”

Madness!

People should come to Mass to worship God and not man.

If the Church spent more time convincing people of our sin, the reality of judgement and hell, and that the sacrifice for that sin is present at Mass then we might get start getting somewhere.
 
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MGEISING:
Do you have Liturgical Dancers in your Parish? How do you feel about them? (BE CHARITABLE PLEASE :eek: )
I think they are a Sacrilege! And that is my most charitable remark about it.
 
:bigyikes: I am a new Catholic and have never seen this, all I can say is wow.:bigyikes:
 
Liturgical Dancers at the Los Angeles RE Conference

[thread=42903] click here [/thread]
 
Good to see this thread raising its dancing head again.

On Palm Sunday I was in Albany Oregon and witnessed the horror we call “Liturgical Dancing”. :eek: (I think we should call it "Regurgical dancing). 😛

All these pairs of men and women came trotting and swaying down the aisle waving palm branches in kind of a western line dance. It was rediculous.

I would have got up and left but I didn’t want to have that mortal sin on my soul. So I endured the pain and offered it up, and prayed toward the tabernacle… … (which is located in a closet waaaayyyy over therrrrrrre… ) :rolleyes:

It makes me uncomfortable to say it - but I really really dislike that church… sad. I will go way out of my way to avoid it in the future
 
Khoria Anna:
Yes, we’ve got them, and I like 'em.



They reverently move about the sanctuary, bowing, kneeling on one or both knees, accompanied often by organ music, their own chanting or the chanting of a choir, or even of the audience.
Audience?

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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