Liturgical Dancing

[Lycorth]

You mean statements like this:

Yes, the Matachines are one of the rare examples, possibly the only example of a people who have incorporated a dance form into liturgical worship.

Doesn’t mean it applies across the board to everyone.

I’m enough student of history and the Church to realize She has faced far worse in Her 2,000 years and that She’s not going anywhere thanks be to God. I am analytical enough to know that no one can precisely p(name removed by moderator)oint why the Church has suffered over the past decades yet it’s clear the slide began long before what some inaccurately refer to as “modernism.” Perhaps most of all I am enough of an observer to realize just how much my parish and diocese has improved in the last decade and I have enough hope and faith to know it’s happening throughout the Church.

Yes, the Church has suffered much worse than today - but that’s no reason to just sit back and assume everything is fine and that absolutely no action needs to be taken or not a word needs to be said.

That’s the point most Catholics today seem to miss. Everything is fine in their home parish, so why worry?

 

[boatbearer]

…Yes, the Church has suffered much worse than today - but that’s no reason to just sit back and assume everything is fine and that absolutely no action needs to be taken or not a word needs to be said.

That’s the point most Catholics today seem to miss. Everything is fine in their home parish, so why worry?

No one ever suggested that “everything is fine and that absolutely no action needs to be taken or not a word needs to be said.”

No one suggest that “Everything is fine in their home parish, so why worry?”

What I will say is that most of the carping I read about on their forums certainly isn’t translating into real reform within the Church – worse they probably make the hierarchy numb to real problems brought to them by other members of the faithful. I would bet dollars to dimes that the biggest complainers are at odds with their pastors and/or bishops. I would bet most have changed parishes more than once and I would bet most are still miserable.

 

[benedictgal]

No one ever suggested that “everything is fine and that absolutely no action needs to be taken or not a word needs to be said.”

No one suggest that “Everything is fine in their home parish, so why worry?”

What I will say is that most of the carping I read about on their forums certainly isn’t translating into real reform within the Church – worse they probably make the hierarchy numb to real problems brought to them by other members of the faithful. I would bet dollars to dimes that the biggest complainers are at odds with their pastors and/or bishops. I would bet most have changed parishes more than once and I would bet most are still miserable.

May I remind you about what Redemptionis Sacramentum states:

it is the right of all of Christ’s faithful that the Liturgy, and in particular the celebration of Holy Mass, should truly be as the Church wishes, according to her stipulations as prescribed in the liturgical books and in the other laws and norms. Likewise, the Catholic people have the right that the Sacrifice of the Holy Mass should be celebrated for them in an integral manner, according to the entire doctrine of the Church’s Magisterium. Finally, it is the Catholic community’s right that the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharist should be carried out for it in such a manner that it truly stands out as a sacrament of unity, to the exclusion of all blemishes and actions that might engender divisions and factions in the Church.32

Your statements are inflammatory and, as I read them, show a limited understanding of the rights of the faithful to have a Mass that is properly celebrated and free from abuse. The faithful do have the right to raise a legitimate complaint if their priests and/or bishops are engaging in activities that run contrary to the approved norms and rubrics of the Mass.

As there is no document from the Holy See approving so-called “liturgical dance” in the West, that does not give the parish the right to create its own “dance” and imbed that within the confines of the Holy Sacrifice.

 

[Lycorth]

No one ever suggested that “everything is fine and that absolutely no action needs to be taken or not a word needs to be said.”

No one suggest that “Everything is fine in their home parish, so why worry?”

That’s the precise implication your words give to me. If I’ve misread you, I apologize, but I ask you to word yourself more clearly next time.

Complaining that people like me take issue and offense with modernist novelties like liturgical dance carries the clear implication that “hey, nothing’s wrong, my parish is getting better, so just chill out”. Like benedictgal noted, we have a right to a Mass free from errors and abuses, and liturgical dancing is one of them. We just have the stones to speak up about it.

 

[boatbearer]

That’s the precise implication your words give to me. If I’ve misread you, I apologize, but I ask you to word yourself more clearly next time.

Complaining that people like me take issue and offense with modernist novelties like liturgical dance carries the clear implication that “hey, nothing’s wrong, my parish is getting better, so just chill out”. Like benedictgal noted, we have a right to a Mass free from errors and abuses, and liturgical dancing is one of them. We just have the stones to speak up about it.

I cannot control how you “implication” my words. I NEVER said what you inferred I did. Please, please don’t attempt to put words in my mouth again as that’s terribly bad form.

Further liturgical dance is hardly “modernist” even in the Latin Rite of the Church.

As far as “stones to speak up?”

 

[Ockham]

boatbearer, could you please respond to the quote I provided from Pope Benedict XVI on this subject?

 

[ProVobis]

Yet Arinze’s casual comments are in no way binding. It would truly be wrong to suggest most of the liturgical dance that most are exposed to is “ok” – even though there is clearly no official prohibition against it. On the other hand it would be resoundingly ignorant to suggest that liturgical dance is always wrong when practiced in the Latin Rite in all places and under all circumstances.

Does this translate into: It’s fully allowed and any parish may resort to liturgical dancing without limitations. Unless, of course, the bishop explicitly forbids it?

 

[Lycorth]

I cannot control how you “implication” my words. I NEVER said what you inferred I did. Please, please don’t attempt to put words in my mouth again as that’s terribly bad form.

Further liturgical dance is hardly “modernist” even in the Latin Rite of the Church.

As far as “stones to speak up?”

You heard me.

 

[benedictgal]

I cannot control how you “implication” my words. I NEVER said what you inferred I did. Please, please don’t attempt to put words in my mouth again as that’s terribly bad form.

Further liturgical dance is hardly “modernist” even in the Latin Rite of the Church.

As far as “stones to speak up?”

Evidently, you are choosing to ignore the statements made by the CDWDS and going by your own opinion.