Liturgical Reform------ R. I. P.?

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The reform of the reform continues, but is currently in a hidden phase as ICEL, Vox Clara, et al work on the english translation of the 3rd typical edition of the Missal. I hope by this time next year, we’ll at least have a sense of when that project will be complete.
 
Very sad. I had a lot of hope for this document. Even made a big donation to Catholic Resource Centre to get 1,000 copies of their **END LITURGICAL ABUSE NOW ! ** flyers to distribute at the various parishes I’m forced to visit with my job.

catholicresourcecenter.org/

END LITURGICAL ABUSE NOW !!!
 
Just like the other document that was suppose to curb abuse “Inaestible Domum”, “RS” just fell to deaf ears. OF course my bishops definition of imediate implemetion means to delay.
 
Here the diocese published a scandalous interpretation of the GIRM and RS. Eucharistic Ministers: The more the merrier. Altar Girls: good. The whole thing is sickening. At least here there’s one parish that does it right and another that has the indult. But I dread having to attend mass out of state.
 
if you want to see some ugly renovations, check out this site from the archtect the diocese of rochester is using for their cathedral . here is his philosophy
Where we worship shapes our prayer and how we pray shapes the way in which we live. Using metaphorical equations to design the worship arena my hope in any project is that the congregation will be transfigured by the very space it is helping to create or transform. I believe that places for worship become sacred when the celebrations of life-cycle events occur there. In this sense the building is designed primarily to house the assembly and its worship of God. It is not an object of devotion by itself nor is it a temple to honor the deity. The fundamental blueprint for the building is found in the memories and hopes of the community. This is why participation of the congregation in the building or renovation journey is extremely important.
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The time honored ingredients of a worthy place for worship include stories of faith, pilgrimage pathways, transforming thresholds, intimate settings for personal prayer, art work that prompts works of justice and seating plans that engage the community in the public rituals. To evoke a sense of the sacred the building must be designed with attention to detail, scale, proportion, materials, color, illumination and acoustics. All art and furnishings must be of the highest caliber afforded by the community. Sensitivity to ecological and economical factors cannot be overlooked.
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Memory and imagination are the main tools in any worship space project.
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pretty lame stuff.
 
oat soda:
if you want to see some ugly renovations, check out this site from the archtect the diocese of rochester is using for their cathedral . here is his philosophy pretty lame stuff.
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I won’t show the link, out of fear of scandalising those with weaker stomachs, but I once saw a sight with side by side comparisons of wreckovations like these and some historic Masonic Temples. But not even those pictures were as bad as these. This is sickening.

I’m sure Michael S. Rose is familiar with these examples.
 
The Diocese of Rochester, NY is no longer Catholic :mad: . I do not know what it is, except to say that that this Diocese is deep in a heresy enabled only by the willingness of the flock to follow it down this slippery slope.

I pray for it, and its Bishop’s return to Catholicism every day. If I were in a position to be able to leave this Diocese I would do so in a heartbeat.
 
I asked one of my priest if he could distribute Holy Communion during the Masses that he is not celebrating in order to reduce EMHC, and the response was that I was being narrow minded. The nearby parish has the policy: the more EMHC, the more merrier.
 
Very sad. In light of the way it’s being implemented/ignored, we may one day wish that R.S. had never been promulgated.

Rome is making a joke of itself if this continues…
 
News from Rochester, sort of:

Bishop Clark celebrated confirmation in our parish shortly after his return from Rome. I was told that when he did, he had them change a few things (no pouring of the precious blood and no choir singing during the consecration). The Bishop reportedly told the deacon (I was told this by the Deacon–it is “only” second hand) that he (the Bishop) had to be very careful in the way he did things because so many people had complained to Rome. As a result of the Bishop’s visit, they began to pour the wine BEFORE it is conscecrated. This is a good thing. The deacon said “the next thing is lay preaching”. I got all excited, but he went on to explain that the Bishop wants to preserve lay preaching and so is trying to insist that a “short homily” given by a priest or deacon that will “introduce” the lay preacher. No comment.

Personally I think that this Pope has been a wonderful teacher and as a result of his initiatives (and the work of other reformers – Catholic Answers, EWTN, etc.) a good portion of the laity now KNOWS there is a problem. My prayer is that the next pope will be a firm disciplinarian. My faith is in Jesus Christ, it is HIS church and He knows exactly what is happening. I trust Him completely and I try to remain close to His Heart.

While we all want TO DO SOMETHING, we must be patient. Make ourselves as holy as we can be. Only when we are spiritually healthy can we properly discern the Lord’s will for us.

The diocese of Rochester may choose to abandon the Church but the Church will never abandon its people. We have much to learn from our family in faith in Eastern Europe, Russia, China, and such places. It could be a lot worse.
 
oat soda:
if you want to see some ugly renovations, check out this site from the archtect the diocese of rochester is using for their cathedral . here is his philosophy pretty lame stuff.
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AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHH!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :bigyikes:
 
I think there is a need for a HUGE liturgical “reform” but not a reform really but a RESTORATION. For most of us, the norvus ordo Mass we attend Sunday Morning with amazing grace and a folk choir etc is NOT what was intended by Vatican II. Vatican II intended a truly beautiful Mass that was like the Latin Mass with more english parts. I went to one and it was like the TLM (Which I have gone to at least 30 times in my life) but was a lot easier to follow than the TLM. Had I been raised in the TLM since day 1 the TLM would be easier to follow but in this day and age very few people do understand the TLM but to get back to what I was saying, I really think that we need to restore the Mass to what Vatican really intended; a very reverent Mass that is similar to he TLM but has a few English hymns and a lot of the parts in english, with a lot of the parts in Latin. Bishop Annabale Bugnini was appointed to head the committee to interpret Vatican II and needless to say, he MISinterpreted it, before being assigned away in Iran by the Pope in 1975 because evidence surfaced that Bishop Bugnini was a freemason. So I think our church leaders should work on restoring everything, and they have been doing so. Already during the last few years I have noticed changes. In our parish, everybody used to stand during the “Lord, I am not worthy.” One sunday, the priest gives the homily; after being informed by the Pope and his bishop that these guidelines had to be followed, he comes out and says “I guess we got out of the habit of kneeling when we had to hold Mass in the theater” when he had up till then been doing nothing about it. He laid down the rule and since then weve knelt. My brother and I were like “YAY!!!” Another thing I have seen is they got rid of a very gross scripture misquote, “rejoice, oh highly favored daughter” Mary is far more than just a "highly favored daughter for crying out loud!!! Now they restored it to “Hail, full of grace” like it originally was! So the renewal is starting, slowly. In most churches, most of the people are older. But the youth who are into their faith are on fire. 30 years later the churches will be pretty empty but those who are there will be devout.
 
see my last post in the thread…" what is your parish doing" in this forum …there are some dioceses/parishes that are taking the liturgical reform seriously
 
When the USCCB elected Bishop Troutperson of Erie, PA to head up the liturgy committee, the bishops collectively thumbed their noses at Rome.

Ironically, it may be just the wake up call Rome needs to enforce documents like RS.
 
troutperson:D i like that…and so appropriate too in this case from what i’ve heard:thumbsup: i can only hope you are right, pascendi…rome does indeed need to come down on the USCCB and insure RS and the new GIRM is enforced
 
We can all pray for this. But I fear another generation may be lost. No wonder Dante had so many bishops in Hell!
 
I try to say Mass according to the GIRM. I look forward to a new and more accurate translation. Sure Trautman will fight. But he is outnumbered. Some bishops are VERY upset at how he was “elected”. They are making their feelings known. And they are the younger bishops who will eventually take over. The calvary is coming, slowly, but it is coming.
 
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