Liturgical Refugee Seeks Advice

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Please let me add something here. The particular style of music may or not be abusive. However, I don’t go to mass to be entertained. It seems some people don’t understand the difference between entertainment and genuine worship in which one may prayerfully participate.

Bad music I may be able to put up with, but I cannot stand to see priests and parishioners thumbing their collective nose at Rome and ignoring the simple rubrics of the mass just because we are “American”. We are still ONE church, and we should act like it. There have been countless abuses committed in the “spirit” of Vatican II. And the authors of the Vatican II documents would be horrified to see what’s being done in their name.
 
Daniel on what you just said, prehapps this is a little off topic but what do you guys think about America being the only Catholic area not to abstain from meat on fridays (every friday) like the rest of the church?
 
It seems to me that most American Catholics have lost sight of the value of sacrifice and self-denial. A little time spent reading the lives of the Saints might help us all. The American church has made every concession to our pleasure-seeking and self-indulgent culture, and we have become spiritual sloths and weaklings.

I think we could learn a lesson or two from the Church in the third world countries. It wouldn’t hurt any of us to do a little fasting and abstinence. The Catholic Church in America is very much out of step with the rest of the world, much to our own detriment.
 
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PsalmChanter:
I believe it is important to recognize that the Mass of the Parish you have left is still valid
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Unfortunately, with the wide variation in liturgical abuses, that really cannot be a blanket statement. It is possible for the Holy Eucharist to become invalid. To be valid requires:* A validly ordained priest
  • Proper wheat bread and wine (not a special 7 grain loaf, not grape juice, not…)
  • The proper words said at the consecration.
  • The priest must have the intent to validly consecrate the Holy Eucharist in communion with the Church.
    I’ve been to Masses that didn’t have proper bread. I’ve been to Masses where the priest made up his own words at the consecration.
Let’s hope that Redemptionis Sacramentum can really make a difference.
 
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cmom:
Pope John XXIII and the members of the Second Vatican Council would turn over in their graves( and probably did) at the litugical stupidities committed in their name.
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If Pope Bl. John XXIII did, it would’ve been in full sight… his body is incorrupt! 🙂
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I couldn’t agree more with your sentiments cmom!
 
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Daniel on what you just said, prehapps this is a little off topic but what do you guys think about America being the only Catholic area not to abstain from meat on fridays (every friday) like the rest of the church?
To my understanding (and I found this out just recently on the EWTN boards), back in the 1960s the bishops in the U.S. did NOT remove the requirement for Fridays to be a day of penitence (that was the reason for the abstinence from meat, it was a penitential action). Rather, they permitted the SUBSTITUTION of another penitential action for the abstinence, OR the continuation of abstinence as an individually preferred penitential action on Fridays. Fridays remain days of penitence and some act, either of self denial or of prayer, should be done every single Friday of the year.
 
I too attend a FSSP indult Mass in Kansas City, Kansas. Lots of folks drive from far and wide. We drive about 20 minutes (15 if we’re late 😃 ), but we dare not complain in front of those who drive over an hour! Especially not in front of those who drive up from Springfield, Mo!! :eek: Thats three hours! Some things are just worth fighting for. 👍
 
😃 My humble advice is: go only to a real Catholic parish. WHY even bother going to a kumbayah era parish? At least that one thing as faithful to the Magisterium Catholics we are still allowed to de: Go to ANY parish we so choose. Hence, the FSSP second parish you mention: stick to that:clapping:
 
You are so lucky to have a FSSP church even 20 miles away! Many of us would love to have the opportunity to go to an Indult Mass but for too many the nearest one is hours away.
 
You have made a wise decision in traveling. I only wish my family had that option. We are fortunate to have 13-15 different parishes (some not quite as extreme as yours) in which we can travel 20-30 minutes. Most all of them have their faults. Some are quite liberal ---- especially the order priests’ parishes. I wish we had a FSSP parish that was as close as the one you travel to. You are blessed.
 
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