Living in an "upscale" ghetto

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I’m posting today because I have some serious concerns about the area where I live and wondering if this sort of thing is commonplace in cities. We live in a typical middle-class neighborhood, there is one street close by with expensive homes. We bought the house 7 years ago, and it seemed like a quiet place to live. Close to schools, daycares, yadda yadda. Perfect for the young family. It would be my 6th home (if you include basement appartments/rented homes) and I was convinced it would also be the safest place to raise our family.

Well, you know where this is going… My dreams turned into a nightmare. I have a hard time understanding and accepting where things are going right now. Can anyone share with me if these are normal things to be expected when living in the city? Keep in mind, we’ve only been here 7 years and we certainly don’t live in the slums - it just feels like it sometimes!!

1 - Within the first year here, someone came by for us to sign a petition to get a convicted child molester out of neighborhood. Said man wasn’t allowed to buy a house as per the court, but his (loving!!) family signed the papers for him. Don’t know if this man still lives there or not, there is a different car in the driveway I believe, but that doesn’t mean much.

2 - Several reports of stolen bicycles, BBQs, even during the day.

3 - 2 or 3 years ago, someone threw a commercial-sized fire extinguisher into the neighbors’ window (of course he pulled the pin first). It blew up and sent fire-retardant foam all over the living room and kitchen area. I think it caused something like 10 000$ worth of damage. Good thing he had insurance and that no one was standing near the window at the time!! I firmly believe that the perpetrator had meant to throw it at our window, as this happened during the weekend. We owned an RV at the time, and it was always parked on the side of the road during the weekdays, so they would have known we were gone every weekend. No one at home = no one to report incident, if you kwim.

4 - One summer night, we heard what sounded like a herd of wild animals running toward the house. We looked outside and saw at least 30 teens running through our yard and onto the street. Talk about respecting private property! Thankfully, the neighbor set up a fence since that incident, so that is no longer possible:).

5 - Dangerous drivers squealing tires at all hours of day/night. Most other streets in the neighborhood curve quite a bit, while ours is straight. By the time they get through the maze of windy streets, they end up speeding on ours.

6 - A couple weeks ago, we were up late with the baby and we heard this car speeding up and screeching tires really bad. Looked outside to see this car drive through 2 yards, do a 360 in the neighbor’s driveway, driving into his garbage, sending it spilling out into the street. It was no “accident”, he just drove off. The next day, I took a walk around the neighborhood and it was quite obvious where he had been. He did the same thing at two other homes - driving in their yard and knocking over their garbage. It was one of the large annual collection weeks where they pick up people’s big items so he timed that well. At first I thought that it was someone high or drunk, but if that had been so, he would have crashed into a car, a house. He was doing this for kicks. The neighbor told us this wasn’t the first time she’s seen this person driving like a maniac.

7 - Once again this morning, I woke up to the sound of same crazy lunatic driving off at a ridiculous speed down the street. At 8:00 in the morning, while the bus was coming to pick up the older schoolkids:eek:! This wasn’t the same car, it had a different sound to it, unless Mr. Bad Driver got new wheels after he smashed up car #1…

Is this normal? You tell me. We’re considering moving in the next few years but this craziness has me wanting to expedite the process.

Also, for you country-dwelling folk, do you feel safe where you live? Our last home was in the country, and I really felt much safer there. If I would have known better, we wouldn’t have moved out of there in the first place.
 
from what you describe you could be my neighbor!

we live in a neighborhood in the “suburbs” of Atlanta, in a relatively small city, and experience pretty much everything you listed…the biggest complaint we have is the constant fistfights in the street in front of our house…but that has petered out as the two main families have been evicted from their homes, which are now standing vacant, as are so many others in our neighborhood…

i’ve also been a police officer for 19 years and will say the problems you list are problems for most of the population much of the time regardless of address!

i have no experience with the truly “country” folks though 🙂
 
I’m posting today because I have some serious concerns about the area where I live and wondering if this sort of thing is commonplace in cities. We live in a typical middle-class neighborhood, there is one street close by with expensive homes. We bought the house 7 years ago, and it seemed like a quiet place to live. Close to schools, daycares, yadda yadda. Perfect for the young family. It would be my 6th home (if you include basement appartments/rented homes) and I was convinced it would also be the safest place to raise our family.

Well, you know where this is going… My dreams turned into a nightmare. I have a hard time understanding and accepting where things are going right now. Can anyone share with me if these are normal things to be expected when living in the city? Keep in mind, we’ve only been here 7 years and we certainly don’t live in the slums - it just feels like it sometimes!!

1 - Within the first year here, someone came by for us to sign a petition to get a convicted child molester out of neighborhood. Said man wasn’t allowed to buy a house as per the court, but his (loving!!) family signed the papers for him. Don’t know if this man still lives there or not, there is a different car in the driveway I believe, but that doesn’t mean much.

2 - Several reports of stolen bicycles, BBQs, even during the day.

3 - 2 or 3 years ago, someone threw a commercial-sized fire extinguisher into the neighbors’ window (of course he pulled the pin first). It blew up and sent fire-retardant foam all over the living room and kitchen area. I think it caused something like 10 000$ worth of damage. Good thing he had insurance and that no one was standing near the window at the time!! I firmly believe that the perpetrator had meant to throw it at our window, as this happened during the weekend. We owned an RV at the time, and it was always parked on the side of the road during the weekdays, so they would have known we were gone every weekend. No one at home = no one to report incident, if you kwim.

4 - One summer night, we heard what sounded like a herd of wild animals running toward the house. We looked outside and saw at least 30 teens running through our yard and onto the street. Talk about respecting private property! Thankfully, the neighbor set up a fence since that incident, so that is no longer possible:).

5 - Dangerous drivers squealing tires at all hours of day/night. Most other streets in the neighborhood curve quite a bit, while ours is straight. By the time they get through the maze of windy streets, they end up speeding on ours.

6 - A couple weeks ago, we were up late with the baby and we heard this car speeding up and screeching tires really bad. Looked outside to see this car drive through 2 yards, do a 360 in the neighbor’s driveway, driving into his garbage, sending it spilling out into the street. It was no “accident”, he just drove off. The next day, I took a walk around the neighborhood and it was quite obvious where he had been. He did the same thing at two other homes - driving in their yard and knocking over their garbage. It was one of the large annual collection weeks where they pick up people’s big items so he timed that well. At first I thought that it was someone high or drunk, but if that had been so, he would have crashed into a car, a house. He was doing this for kicks. The neighbor told us this wasn’t the first time she’s seen this person driving like a maniac.

7 - Once again this morning, I woke up to the sound of same crazy lunatic driving off at a ridiculous speed down the street. At 8:00 in the morning, while the bus was coming to pick up the older schoolkids:eek:! This wasn’t the same car, it had a different sound to it, unless Mr. Bad Driver got new wheels after he smashed up car #1…

Is this normal? You tell me. We’re considering moving in the next few years but this craziness has me wanting to expedite the process.

Also, for you country-dwelling folk, do you feel safe where you live? Our last home was in the country, and I really felt much safer there. If I would have known better, we wouldn’t have moved out of there in the first place.
LOL. Atleast you did not mention young kids shooting at eachother right infront of your house. Count your blessings.
 
Without being there, it sounds like you have a few rowdy teenagers in your neighborhood (with the exception of the child molester of course). This is just a guess on my part. But the vandalism sounds like stupid teenage pranks, the thefts are not “professional” they sound like opportunity, and the car bravado screams teenagers showing off. At least, I had similar problems in my suburban neighborhood–and when anyone was caught… it was teens.

By the way, to me, it always seems like it’s one small group of teens that do this… are the “Wild pack” etc. Most teens, in my experience, are decent, good kids.

And seemed to be the same 20 years ago out in the farm country where I grew up. It’s the same stuff different time and place. Growing up it was my fellow teenagers smashing mailboxes and doing doughnuts on front lawns or shooting up people’s parked cars with shotguns (they’d brag about it in school). They also used to drink a lot. And they would brake into things–such as cars or houses to get money for drugs, etc.

I don’t feel any safer or less safe really.
 
Actually, this sounds pretty par for the course when talking about an upscale suburban subdivision/housing development. “Mayberry” neighborhoods don’t exist anymore:(

Until you hear gunshots, see abandoned homes used as crack houses and spray painted with gang symbols, you are not in “a ghetto”. Regarding the child molester/convicted sex offender…check on one of those national registries…nearly every neighborhood/community has one or two offenders listed…just be vigilant about who they are and who your children are around. In my city/regional area, the upper middle class kids are just as obnoxious as the lower income kids…they seem to have an attitude of “entitlement” just because their parents have money and they think they are above the law when it comes to bullying, drunk driving, drugs, and sexual assaults.
 
Actually, this sounds pretty par for the course when talking about an upscale suburban subdivision/housing development. “Mayberry” neighborhoods don’t exist anymore:(

Until you hear gunshots, see abandoned homes used as crack houses and spray painted with gang symbols, you are not in “a ghetto”. Regarding the child molester/convicted sex offender…check on one of those national registries…nearly every neighborhood/community has one or two offenders listed…just be vigilant about who they are and who your children are around. In my city/regional area, the upper middle class kids are just as obnoxious as the lower income kids…they seem to have an attitude of “entitlement” just because their parents have money and they think they are above the law when it comes to bullying, drunk driving, drugs, and sexual assaults.
As far as the loud group of teens, the squealing tires, etc…call your local police department on the non-emergency line and have them dispatch an officer/deputy out to your neighborhood to investigate the disturbance. When you let them know these are getting to be frequently occurring events, they usually step up a presence in that area. In fact, most subdivisions have an officer or two residing there…do you have any in your neighborhood or do you have a "crime watch/prevention group in your development/subdivision? Might be worth looking into or starting one. No area is immune to crime- whether intentional or random.
 
As far as the loud group of teens, the squealing tires, etc…call your local police department on the non-emergency line and have them dispatch an officer/deputy out to your neighborhood to investigate the disturbance. When you let them know these are getting to be frequently occurring events, they usually step up a presence in that area. In fact, most subdivisions have an officer or two residing there…do you have any in your neighborhood or do you have a "crime watch/prevention group in your development/subdivision? Might be worth looking into or starting one. No area is immune to crime- whether intentional or random.
The police have been called on numerous occasion, and I have seen them more often the last few weeks. We do have an officer that lives close by as well as a deputy. I have seen them speaking with the neighbors on several occasions. For the time being, I believe they are doing everything they can. My husband and I have quickly discussed the crime watch group. Thanks for reminding me, I need to talk to the neighbors about that.

I looked into the sex offender’s registry, looks like it isn’t available in Canada. What is more dangerous than registered sex offenders, though, are those that haven’t been caught and that no one knows about yet.
 
The police have been called on numerous occasion, and I have seen them more often the last few weeks. We do have an officer that lives close by as well as a deputy. I have seen them speaking with the neighbors on several occasions. For the time being, I believe they are doing everything they can. My husband and I have quickly discussed the crime watch group. Thanks for reminding me, I need to talk to the neighbors about that.

I looked into the sex offender’s registry, looks like it isn’t available in Canada. What is more dangerous than registered sex offenders, though, are those that haven’t been caught and that no one knows about yet.
I’m glad you’re being proactive. You are quite correct about the pedophile predators that remain anonymous being far more dangerous! I’m sorry your neighborhood had issues…ours has speeders during rush hour that cut through the neighborhood to avoid a long light/major intersection a few streets over and kids that play b-ball in the street, not only dangerous since they do it at rush hour, but their games often attract kids from across the major street where there is government-subsidized housing and more crime (burglery, etc). I would love to move out to the wilderness…but I think my idea of wilderness isn’t as remote as what’s in Canada. 😉

Stay proactive and ask St Michael the Archangel to protect your family,home and property (and your unfortunate neighbor’s, too)!
 
Do you live near a significant city? Things like this seem to be common near majorcities. I live in a small city that isn’t really close to anything big and have never had anything like you describe happen. Our biggest problem is the HOA sends us letters when we put our garbage pails out before sundown on the night before pickup 😛
 
I grew up in a tiny farm village and my parents still live there. They have this sort of stuff happening there all the time. Hate to discourage you, but you can’t get away from it no matter where you go.
 
I’m posting today because I have some serious concerns about the area where I live and wondering if this sort of thing is commonplace in cities. We live in a typical middle-class neighborhood, there is one street close by with expensive homes. We bought the house 7 years ago, and it seemed like a quiet place to live. Close to schools, daycares, yadda yadda. Perfect for the young family. It would be my 6th home (if you include basement appartments/rented homes) and I was convinced it would also be the safest place to raise our family.
I dunno. Nothing you described seems too far from typical stuff that occurs over time in urban/suburban settings. If these activities happened every week it might be a bit over the top, but over seven years… 🤷

Low-income neighborhoods are often quieter than middle-class neighborhoods, at least in my community, at least during the day. Parents are too afraid to send their kids outside, and adults tend to keep themselves to themselves indoors to avoid police harassment (because every young man of color is a drug dealer or gang banger, don’tcha know) and becoming inadvertently involved in any nefarious activities that might be happening. I can drive through the urban wasteland that surrounds my school site at 4:00 p.m. and the only people I see are the homeless; everybody else is shut up inside.

And neighborhood craziness doesn’t limit itself to a particular income level. Last 4th of July in an extraordinarily wealthy, gated community near where I live a psychiatrist and a pediatrician, neighbors, got into a shootout - an actual exchange of gunfire - because one of them thought the other’s fireworks display had gone on too long. Of course alcohol was involved, but the SWAT team was called, and one of the gunslingers holed himself up in his garage for several hours before surrendering to law enforcement. I heard about it from my dentist, who lives next door to one of these guys, who had to spend a couple of hours on the floor and away from the windows with her husband and kids.

And the rural areas where I am - again I don’t know what it’s like where you are - are true pockets of poverty where it seems like meth and marijuana are the biggest job creators. I grew up on a farm, love the countryside, but I wouldn’t live in an unincorporated area here if you paid me.

Of course, if you truly fear for your family’s safety it’s time to move. Just try to make sure your new digs don’t have the same issues are where you’re fleeing does. The best bit of advice I’ve ever received in this regard was from a friend who advised me to visit a neighborhood on a Friday or Saturday night to get a feel for how quiet and ‘family friendly’ is it.

Luna
 
Take it from somebody who’s lived in both the contrry and city, it sounds common place. Mayberry never completly excisted, even in Mayberry.
 
And the rural areas where I am - again I don’t know what it’s like where you are - are true pockets of poverty where it seems like meth and marijuana are the biggest job creators. I grew up on a farm, love the countryside, but I wouldn’t live in an unincorporated area here if you paid me.
I live in “the country” and it’s pretty peaceful. Now and then somebody will do something wrong, but it’s not very common. Most country dwellers have guns and big dogs running loose. It takes quite a bit of bravado to approach a country home with mischief in mind, especially at night.
 
I dunno. Nothing you described seems too far from typical stuff that occurs over time in urban/suburban settings. If these activities happened every week it might be a bit over the top, but over seven years… 🤷
Although all the events I’ve described happened over a 7 year span, what I’ve noticed is that the incidents seem to increasing in frequency.

Something that really creeped me out that I forgot to mention… About a month ago, I had one of those evenings where it took me an hour to get baby to sleep. Finally, as I was about to put her to sleep, I heard a loud bang. I really wasn’t expecting that and it scared me so I yelled and ran to my husband in the other room. I was so shook up that it took me a few minutes to realize that someone had just pulled a “ring and run” on me. I know I shouldn’t get too bent out of shape for something like that, but I was sitting right next to the door at the time, while nursing my baby. So it adds to the creepy factor - was someone standing at the door watching me? Also, I felt very vulnerable holding a baby and all. Then, I had to spend another 45 minutes getting baby to sleep again:mad:.

It’s hard enough coping with the stresses of daily life with an anxiety condition, and then this. I guess there will always be something to stress me out:(. Started anti-anxiety meds today and hoping they will help.
 
I live in “the country” and it’s pretty peaceful. Now and then somebody will do something wrong, but it’s not very common. Most country dwellers have guns and big dogs running loose. It takes quite a bit of bravado to approach a country home with mischief in mind, especially at night.
I hear you. The flock of geese that ran around our yard would have given any miscreants something to think about. And then there were the farm dogs - who although they were intimidated by the geese - wouldn’t have been afraid of unknown humans. And if someone had managed to get past the geese and the dogs, they would have been greeted by grandpa and his shotgun.

But man, where I live now… Around here the quiet country evenings are occasionally punctuated by a trailer that had meth cooking its kitchen blowing sky high. And our foothills are home to illegal, multi-acre marijuana plantations protected by armed patrols who have been known to kill innocent hikers who accidentally wandered off the correct trail. Yes, there also are upstanding people who are running cotton and dairy and produce farms, but there’s enough of the other stuff to make country life unappealing for me. 😦

Luna
 
It’s hard enough coping with the stresses of daily life with an anxiety condition, and then this. I guess there will always be something to stress me out:(. Started anti-anxiety meds today and hoping they will help.
I live with an anxiety disorder as well. Give your body some time to adjust to your medication schedule - ask your doctor about how long that should take - and then re-visit how you feel about your neighborhood. Also speak with your therapist about some relaxation techniques to help you when you feel overwhelmed and panicky.

Luna
 
I hear you. The flock of geese that ran around our yard would have given any miscreants something to think about. And then there were the farm dogs - who although they were intimidated by the geese - wouldn’t have been afraid of unknown humans. And if someone had managed to get past the geese and the dogs, they would have been greeted by grandpa and his shotgun.

But man, where I live now… Around here the quiet country evenings are occasionally punctuated by a trailer that had meth cooking its kitchen blowing sky high. And our foothills are home to illegal, multi-acre marijuana plantations protected by armed patrols who have been known to kill innocent hikers who accidentally wandered off the correct trail. Yes, there also are upstanding people who are running cotton and dairy and produce farms, but there’s enough of the other stuff to make country life unappealing for me. 😦

Luna
Yes. It is not a good idea to wander onto somebody else’s country property, particularly if it’s wooded and wild or if there are multiple trailers there.

I think maybe the most amusing “watchdog” I have seen is an irascible donkey one neighbor has. He’ll start braying at anything unusual and, if one gets too close, he’ll turn around instantly and start kicking.

And there are not a few Llamas around. Very unpredictable and deadly if they attack. Cattlemen around here have a lot of them. Rustlers use dogs to round up cattle, and Llamas will attack dogs and kill them. Pretty good deterrent.
 
Yes. It is not a good idea to wander onto somebody else’s country property, particularly if it’s wooded and wild or if there are multiple trailers there.

I think maybe the most amusing “watchdog” I have seen is an irascible donkey one neighbor has. He’ll start braying at anything unusual and, if one gets too close, he’ll turn around instantly and start kicking.

And there are not a few Llamas around. Very unpredictable and deadly if they attack. Cattlemen around here have a lot of them. Rustlers use dogs to round up cattle, and Llamas will attack dogs and kill them. Pretty good deterrent.
I didn’t know that about llamas! Cool! I just learned something today!

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