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misslollipops
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As long as it works for you.
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As long as it works for you.
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Randy_Carson
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So, you have no problem with celibacy for priests, I assume.
Funny, many non-Catholics are quite squirrely on this point, but your argument is that it is a good thing for priests not to marry since their interests are not divided.
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misslollipops
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If a person has the gift of celibacy he can be celibate.
But we can see the error of forcing a person to be celibate who doesn’t have the gift.
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Church_Militant
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All discussion has some purpose.
If I want to play word games I go post in the Clubhouse.
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Church_Militant
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I’d agree with that if I knew of anyone who was forced…
My question then would be why there are almost no celibate n-C clergy.
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Randy_Carson
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How so?
The Church has forced no man or woman to be celibate. If God has called someone to be a priest or a religious, then He gives that vocation with the grace that is necessary to remain celibate.
Most, however, are called to the vocation of marriage - and much grace is needed for that vocation, also.
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misslollipops
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How would you know about celibate nc clergy, are there stats?
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Randy_Carson
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MANY of us in this forum are converts. I never knew any unmarried clergy in the Methodist Church or any of the other churches that I wandered about in.
Most young Protestant pastors seem intent upon finding a good “helpmate” who can play the organ and help with the “ministry”, etc.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
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misslollipops
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We know that years ago when a family had many children one or more would enter the priesthood as an honor to the family. Is this true?
If so, we can assume that many of those were not really called to ministry, they did it out of respect to the family and faith.
Lets face it the gift of celibacy is not to popular a gift.
If someone is forced into celibacy and does not have the gift, look out! There’s going to be problems.
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Church_Militant
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I don’t think I’ve ever met a celibate n-C clergyman…Have you?
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Randy_Carson
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Convert. So, I can’t say for sure based on my family experience. However, it certainly seems reasonable for anyone to be honored to called to the priesthood or religious life.
Maybe. I’m having a hard time picturing some 19-year-old kid with more hormones in his bloodstream than he knows what to do with packing himself off to seminary just because he thinks his mom will be proud of him. She’d be proud if he married the girl down the street and filled up a house full of bambinos, too.
Not even among those who genuinely receive it!
If that ever happened. But NO ONE is forced to become a priest or religious. NO ONE is forced to become celibate if they do not wish to do so.
These are strange ideas about vocations you have.
And, btw, you never answered my question as to whether YOU were a religious before you left the Church.
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Miserissima
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Worldly desires must be balanced with right intention: Lord, I offer you my sacrifices so I can have a Mercedes" is not a selfless prayer. “Lord, I offer you my sacrifices so Marie can get a car to get to work,” is a more worthy prayer.
If one’s vocation is to the married state, that is being about your Father’s business.
If you’re referring to the Apostle’s words of 1 Cor 7:9, " But if they do not contain themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to be burnt," there are several points to be made:
- This passage says that marrying is a saving grace, rather than to be tempted to fall into sexual sin.
- Paul was speaking of his opinion only, for in verse 6 he writes, “But I speak this by indulgence, not by commandment,” which menas it was a personal opinion; he was not directed solely by the Holy Spirit to write this.
- Marriage is a a lifetime, ongoing sacrament, an outward sign on inward grace, from which people receive graces every day they are married.
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misslollipops
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I never saw a catholic priest who was married.. NO ONE is forced to become celibate if they do not wish to do so.
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And, btw, you never answered my question as to whether YOU were a religious before you left the Church.
I think it is a requirement for the priesthood.
What ? didn’t I answer. Ask it again
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Randy_Carson
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Misslollipops, were you ever a member of a religious order?
As for married priests, they do exist; however, they are converts from Anglicanism or Eastern Orthodox who are married before they convert.
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misslollipops
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Gamera
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Some Catholic priests are married. The Catholic Church contains a number of different rites. The Latin rite, which is what most American Catholics belong to, requires celibacy for its priests. Other rites of the Catholic Church do not require celibacy for their priests. This is because priestly celibacy is not a doctrine, it’s just a discipline, like a regulation.
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misslollipops
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But you must admit, there may be some problems with the regulation, No?
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Gamera
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Yes, one being that it probably contributes to the reduction in the number of new priests, at least in North America.
Because priestly celibacy is a mere discipline, not a doctrine, it can be changed. The rule didn’t exist in the early days of the Church, and the Church could decide to abolish the rule someday.
But there also are advantages to the rule. One advantage being that the priest can focus more attention on his service to God.
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Randy_Carson
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No.
What problems do you think are a direct result of celibacy?
I’ll be looking for some citations of research that indicates a direct co-relation in your reply. Otherwise, it’s just unsubstantiated opinion.
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misslollipops
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Ok forget I said anything.
Your right no problem.
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