Living with a Jehovah witness

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Hi, Glark!

In their efforts to make Christ a creature they do not see how they make God into a liar since Yahweh God Claims that He is the Only Creator–so He is taking credit (Jesus’ props) for what Christ actually brings into being.

Of course if we accept God’s Revelation as He makes it, we find that the Word, Who Existed from the Beginning, is God and Existed with God, from the Beginning–Jesus is the Person of God who Creates!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi jcrichton,
On the first posting when you mentioned about betting, you hit all the targets on the spot. I hate that he says that ever since I started to go back to church I have changed to a worse person. I don’t believe that to be true but it still bothers me when he says it. He bombards me with all these JW articles which is exactly what happened today. When I mentioned that if I were to bring my own articles and bible verses he got upset and mentioned how I always get so defensive when it comes to accepting him as a JW that he has never dealt with so much prosecution as the one I’m doing to him, that I looked up info on JW stompers. So I said “yes I looked at those but I never acted on it, I don’t bring you catholic article upon article and expect you to accept it, yet if I had hard copies of all the articles you throw at me on a daily basis I would have the living room full of articles” at this he exploded and I just watched and listened. He locked himself in the room with a knife and I was scared that he’d hurt himself. I tried to peacefully ask him to let me in then made an excuse for him to let me in, I tried to take the knife away but didn’t fight it when he pulled it away, I didn’t want to make things worse so I left the room started to cook and then after some time he comes out to tell me that I left him there to die why would I do that. He says that I should take people seriously and that if he were to have killed himself it would have been my fault. I don’t want him to kill himself and I especially don’t want to make someone do that. Then after much blaming he said that he was going to leave and I said ok (I was relieved) but when he said he was going to talk to his elder friend Bob, I just knew he would not go through with it. Then I felt nervous about the outcome of today. He came back in and said that he wasn’t going to leave and break the family up that he wasn’t going to be the cause of breaking the kids hearts. That if I wanted I could leave. I finally said that I wanted to leave and then we had this big conversation about how he thinks we can make it work. Even when I told him how I don’t love him anymore he said that there is still hope. I got to give it to him, he doesn’t give up. But I really want to leave I think that that’s the only way I can be at peace and not just me but my children too. Yet I have all this guilt that he brought upon me by telling me that he is willing to work to be better but that it’s all up to me that if the kids get their hearts broken it will be because of me and not him.
 
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He doesn’t want to go to any sort of therapy because he says that all we need is the Bible that Jehovah will guide us and we don’t need any man or catholic to tell us what is wrong and how to fix it. Im afraid i can’t get out of this without there being a big big problem. I don’t want him to die or hurt himself because of me and I don’t want to have such a fight that the kids get so scared or what if he doesn’t let me take them. This is so tough
 
Hi, Gladys!

I’m so sorry this is escalating in such a tumultuous and dangerous way.

I’m not a professional, yet, I fear that without intervention your situation will not end well. Be careful that the object of his frustration does not become you. Ease your way into the hands of professionals; don’t attempt to handle this alone.

While it sounds very constructive and positive (his claim that Scriptures and God alone suffices) it is the same trappings/ploy: only when you surrender to the Jehovah Witnesses’ way of life would you have, in his mind, worked for that utopia he offers (‘even if you don’t love me, we can work it out–remain a family for the sake of the children…’).

Again, not a betting man, yet, I bet that the solution will never lead to he leaving the Jehovah Witnesses; and that ‘Yahweh and Scriptures alone’ simply means Yahweh and Scriptures according to what ‘JW elders say.’

Here’s one thing I learned from my older brother–there was an issue with some guy, on account of a girl, and my brother found out about the incident… he told me to never reveal my intentions or my purpose to the opponent–if I reveal my moves he would be expecting them and prepare a counter attack; I think that some of his military experience kicked in on that advice… which I now offer you; do not use threats nor explain to him that you are leaving (if it comes to that particular determination).

I cannot emphasize how telling his actions with the knife is… nor how he continues to hold you accountable (even when refusing to relinquish the knife or come down he seeks you out, not to apologize or to show you that he has in deed calmed down… but only to burden you with the responsibility of his welfare and to blame you for “abandoning” him… [Sorry this is going to be a tangent that you may not appreciate but it came to mind and it helps me place some levity on this reply: this scene reminded of one of Cantinfla’s skids where he is talking about how his mom died when he was just a poor child of thirty something.]

Please, do not be taken in. If your husband is truly at such crossroads the best thing for him to do is stop going to JW services for a while and to go to family counseling with either a Catholic professional or a secular professional–someone that would offer him a different perspective than ‘you’re doing good brother, just get your wife and family in line.’

I wish I had the means to make your world a happy, safe, and Holy one.

May the Holy Spirit Guide and Protect you and your children.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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If there are knives or other weapons starting to be involved you need to call the Police. I had an old roommate once and he used to write notes about killing himself. I found one of these notes and called the police immediately. Needless to say we weren’t roommates much longer after that. Life’s short and you don’t need this stress in your life, especially your home which is supposed to be your sanctuary.
 
Thank you for your kind words and advice.
The whole Cantinflas skid thing does make sense, I didn’t particularly take it wrong because I thought of something similar when I reflected on that part of the situation. He says that he won’t summit to any ultimatums and that counseling is out of the question. I am taking the advice that your brother gave you as my safest and last resort. Again thank you all so much for your kind words, helpful information, and prayers. May God bless you all always
 
Btw do you guys know if it’s ok to have children go to counseling? I really believe my son’s need it but my husband is opposed to it as well as their dad. I don’t know if it’s a JW thing because as you know my husband is a JW and my son’s father was a JW and right now he isn’t anything, but he still considers himself a JW, or is it bad like people will think they are crazy or something
 
Well, I think that is part of the culture (secrecy); it is said that you can trust the words of drunks and children–there’s truth to this since alcohol makes us uninhibited and children, before the adults/older children damage them, have not guile. A child’s preponderance of honesty could be seen as a threat to expose “our secrets.”

As for mental health, seeking professional help does not mean that anyone is crazy; it is simply the same as the recommended doctor’s visit (yearly check up); in the case of you and your children, there is concern that the turmoil you are experiencing may require more than just one visit (family/children counseling). I recommend that you do so, as soon as possible. If nothing else your children will know that they are loved and protected by you.

May the Holy Spirit Strengthen you!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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Btw do you guys know if it’s ok to have children go to counseling? I really believe my son’s need it but my husband is opposed to it as well as their dad. I don’t know if it’s a JW thing because as you know my husband is a JW and my son’s father was a JW and right now he isn’t anything, but he still considers himself a JW, or is it bad like people will think they are crazy or something
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If you think about it the reason will become obvious. A counselor truly looking out for your childs best interst will conclude the same thing you already have -that your husband the problem. This is why the JW organization doen not advocate for counseling unless the counselor is JW, which i do not think you will find.

Peace!!!
 
Just listened to this:

www.lighthousecatholicmedia.org

From Jehovah’s Witness to Catholic - Mary Kochan

As a third generation Jehovah’s Witness, Mary Kochan was fully immersed in their activities until adulthood.
www.lighthousecatholicmedia.org www.lighthousecatholicmedia.org

Key hinge: once the speaker read a list of specific predictions and prophecies from the Watch Tower Society that turned out to be epic fails, she questioned how could they be right on other things…
 
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Aaaand I found a few summaries. At first I thought this would be a low blow to JWs so I have never brought it up, but it’s a fairly important issue that has caused many JWs to leave the religion:

Unfulfilled Watch Tower Society predictions - Wikipedia

1975 - Watchtower Quotes to show what really was predicted

Failed date predictions of Jehovah's Witnesses
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I was too young to remember the 1975 prediction, but that is one where there are documented events where representatives of the Governing Body were pretty heavily asserting that Armageddon was right around the corner. I remember 1975 being discussed in hushed tones at my house, as many JWs left the organization after the world didn’t end. There are plenty of stories that circulated about people who sold their houses and emptied their bank accounts, believing that the end was very near indeed. In the end, the Organization (as they called it) refused to acknowledge any responsibility, declared that those who had left had no faith, and tried to scrub the entire fiasco from any official record.

The JWs are very good at rewriting their history. My grandfather was a Ministerial Servant, which is one level below an Elder, and he was given the responsibility for the “Book Room”, where you could buy various JW publications, and one of his jobs was to dispose of “out of date” versions of some of the publications, and at least some cases those publications were “out of date” because the Organization wanted to scrub out some statement or claim they had now abandoned. He would even do it at home, burning old copies of the Watchtower or Awake, and replacing them with “corrected” bound volume editions of these magazines.

Looking back on it, it was like living is some sort of weird dystopian state, some sort of Soviet propaganda machine where you would strike out any inconvenient truths, and simply act as if nothing had ever been said.
 
Very odd. They wouldn’t get in so much trouble if they could just STOP MAKING PREDICTIONS! Even the reasonable JWs I talk to today believe the world is going to end sometime in the very very near future: “Jesus said ‘No one knows the day or the hour’ but… it will probably be next year. LOOK AT ALL THE SIGNS!” If they could just cut out the predictions and the associated stress they cause, JWs would probably be a halfway good cult!
 
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Very odd. They wouldn’t get in so much trouble if they could just STOP MAKING PREDICTIONS! Even the reasonable JWs I talk to today believe the world is going to end sometime in the very very near future: “Jesus said ‘No one knows the day or the hour’ but… it will probably be next year. LOOK AT ALL THE SIGNS!” If they could just cut out the predictions and the associated stress they cause, JWs would probably be a halfway good cult!
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My father (who left the religion a few years ago after being a member almost since he was born) has this theory that 1975 was about a big money grab. I don’t know whether it’s true or not.
 
Hi!

I think that the scientology thing learned from them… change the story, change the vision, redirect everything to the “new and improved.”

Sadly, people are thirsting for direction so much that they allow themselves to be huddled into a hole in the ground, which they dig with their own hands and sweat.

That’s why I love St. Paul’s Counsel:
5:19 Never try to suppress the Spirit 5:20 or treat the gift of prophecy with contempt; 5:21 think before you do anything – hold on to what is good 5:22 and avoid every form of evil. (1 Thessalonians)
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Maran atha!

Angel
 
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Hi, John!

…but even then, their theology is that Jesus is not God; that the Holy Spirit is not God; that we are to be of like-mind; that we are to inherit the earth; that those Heaven bound have been “hand-picked” by God and that it is the completed number of Jehovah Witnesses…

Further more, what else would they be able to sell since the Evangelists have the fear of hell cornered, Jews have Sheol, and other religions have all those reincarnation themes, and Catholics have Christ on the Cross as God?

…predictions get the numbers running–just check out every time that science predicts end of world and some “special” seers predict the kingdom come… those who do not fill the pews are jittery and asking ‘is it really the end–are we there now?’

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Jesus said, “I AM the Way, the Life and the Truth”. Only God Almighty is entitled to make this claim. If Jesus were a mere creature, he would only be entitled to say, “I KNOW the Way, the Life and the Truth.”
 
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There are none so Blind as those that Will not see ,
Best stop talking about Faith, keep your faith close to your Heart , for it won’t do you any favours thying to educate the uneducatable
 
Guys does forgive and forget mean to stay when someone cheats and try to make it work for the kids? Reason I ask is because my husband says that God tells us what to do and we don’t need marriage counseling to tell us what we already know. Which is forgive forget move on and not break the bond that God has created which is our marriage. So going to couples therapy is out of the question in his part and that’s his reasoning and response when it came to me saying that I will be going to counseling for myself. All this had been popping up for weeks now but today we went to the doctor where he told the doctor that I seem to be depressed and such and he also mentioned that he has had suicidal thoughts. The doctor recommended counseling be it individual or a couples to which he said nothing to the doctor but mentioned these points to me when we got home.
 
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