Local bakery owner refuses to make gay couple's wedding cake

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ARSpade said:
You can force a person to work.

You can’t force them to do a good job. I’d bake the cake if forced to after I objected, but I’d make darn sure they didn’t like what they got.
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I would accidentally lose the order form and give them a suprise on the day the wanted to pick it up.

“Excuse me, I don’t believe I have a order sir. What was your name again?”
 
Book_Worm said:
It’s very simple; if you don’t want to provide public accommodation to everyone, don’t enter a field of public accommodation.

Honestly, if I knew a Christian deliberately did something as reprehensible as this this, I’d have a pretty low opinion of his religion and his conscience. “I don’t want to bake your wedding cake because my conscience says it’s wrong, but my conscience says it’s perfectly okay to take your money and do a lousy job.”
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Well then maybe they should stop trying to destroy peoples lives if they don’t agree with their sham of a marriage. Forcing someone to do something against there will is wrong.
 
Book_Worm said:
According to the people who held this belief, it wasn’t a doctrinal error.

And according to the people who had POC sit in the back of the bus or at segregated lunch counters, they were providing services to them, just not the same services.

That’s why public accommodation laws were written. If you provide a public accommodation, you must provide it to everyone.

If you don’t want to do that, don’t offer it to anyone.
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Right, Except if Book worm disagrees with you then its alright.

Because you would have a problem with making someone bake a cake for the westboro bapists church for there all gays go to hell party wouldn’t you? come on tell us the truth of where you draw the line on this public accomodation law!
 
ProdigalSun said:
So if you make a “CAKE” for any type of event then you have to make a cake for all events?

Good to know! Lets put this theory of yours into practice.

So a Jewish cake maker is minding his own business when all the sudden a white supremacists walks in…
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You are not under the impression that the owner of a Jewish deli can refuse to sell a pastrami sandwich to a guy with an anti-Semitic tattoo, are you?

The standard is not that a business has to do whatever the customer wants. The standard is that the business has to offer the same service to Customer A as to Customer B. If a baker does not make wedding cakes at all, then the business cannot get into trouble for refusing to make a wedding cake for a wedding the owner does not think is moral, advisable or whatever.
 
ucfengr said:
How are POCs harmed by having to purchase their cake from another bakery?
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How were blacks harmed by having to go to one of the local hotels that accepted black travelers instead of one of the ones that wouldn’t? As long as some hotel would take them, they should be glad to go where they’re wanted instead of where they’re not, right?

Didn’t we get the fallacy in this thinking, oh, I don’t know…how many decades ago was that?
 
Peter_J said:
No. No one has the right to refuse service on the basis of the customer’s race, just like no one has the right to refuse service on the basis of the customer’s sexual orientation.
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Is a priest violating a same gender couple’s rights by not extending the sacrament of marriage to them?
 
JonNC said:
Is a priest violating a same gender couple’s rights by not extending the sacrament of marriage to them?
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No more than a priest is violating Pepsi’s rights by not being able to transubstantiate it into the Precious Blood.
 
PRmerger said:
No more than a priest is violating Pepsi’s rights by not being able to transubstantiate it into the Precious Blood.
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The city of Philadelphia is very upset at the archdiocese of Philadelphia over this very issue, due to the loss of soda tax revenue.
Or so I’ve heard
 
JonNC said:
Is a priest violating a same gender couple’s rights by not extending the sacrament of marriage to them?
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Is a priest violating a straight couple’s rights by not extending the sacrament of marriage to them when he refuses them because under canon law they are not free to marry each other?

No.
 
EasterJoy said:
Is a priest violating a straight couple’s rights by not extending the sacrament of marriage to them when he refuses them because under canon law they are not free to marry each other?

No.
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If the couple goes down to the evangelical church instead, should the Catholic baker be permitted to side with his priest and not participate as well?
 
How about this? The bakery removes itself from public sewage, electrical, gas, and water lines. It does not partake of any public services to support its business. If it can manage to do so, it can deny service to homosexuals.
 
gracepoole said:
How about this? The bakery removes itself from public sewage, electrical, gas, and water lines. It does not partake of any public services to support its business. If it can manage to do so, it can deny service to homosexuals.
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A bit over the top, don’t you think?
 
gracepoole said:
How about this? The bakery removes itself from public sewage, electrical, gas, and water lines. It does not partake of any public services to support its business. If it can manage to do so, it can deny service to homosexuals.
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Settle down, Beavis. Methinks you are overreacting a tad too much. :D:)
 
JonNC said:
If the couple goes down to the evangelical church instead, should the Catholic baker be permitted to side with his priest and not participate as well?
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OK, so now you’re saying businesses should be allowed to discriminate against Catholics, just so that a bakery won’t have to make a cake.

Something makes me doubt the bakery would kick this much of a fuss if the cake were for a dog marrying a cat.
 
gracepoole said:
How about this? The bakery removes itself from public sewage, electrical, gas, and water lines. It does not partake of any public services to support its business. If it can manage to do so, it can deny service to homosexuals.
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The point is, it is NOT denying service to homosexuals. A homosexual could easily by rolls or a loaf of bread or a dozen cupcakes from the baker without issue.

What the baker is objecting to is the force support of an EVENT. Events are not persons.

This is no more of a case of homosexual discrimination than a black print shop owner refusing to print up signs for a neo-Nazi rally would be a case of racial discrimination. He would be refusing service to whites, after all.

But it is the event he would be opposing, the message that the printer would have to put on the signs.
 
EasterJoy said:
OK, so now you’re saying businesses should be allowed to discriminate against Catholics, just so that a bakery won’t have to make a cake.

Something makes me doubt the bakery would kick this much of a fuss if the cake were for a dog marrying a cat.
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That’s because a dog marrying a cat is a ludicrous analogy.

But yes. People in a free state should have the right to associate with whoever they choose, particularly when it comes to religious events.

EDIT: By the way, discrimination against Catholics is already the practice. If a Catholic photographer is required to provide services at a same gender “wedding”, then that is discrimination
 
fmchan52 said:
A bit over the top, don’t you think?
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Nope, not at all. If the bakery wants to use public services, it then has to abide by public law. It can choose not to bake wedding cakes for anyone or it can agree to bake wedding cakes for all who have the legal right to marry. It can use public services (like sewage and water lines) and accept the public definition of legal marriage or it can stop using public services and decide on its own definition of legal marriage.
 
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