Lonely sexless marriage--how to cope

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:rolleyes: NFP is NOT “the rhythm method” (sometimes referred to as “Standard Days Method”). NFP is monitoring and recording signs of fertility, which vary from woman to woman and cycle to cycle. It can be very effective, if both spouses are on the same page about needing to avoid (or wanting to conceive) and if there aren’t health problems that make reading fertility signs difficult (though frequently these can be resolved).

PLEASE do not continue with this misunderstanding of what natural family planning is. It is a disservice to women’s health (real women’s health, not the euphemism that it frequently means) to do so.
I don’t mean to derail the thread, but the Standard Days Method IS a method of NFP, and rhythm IS a method of NFP (though not a modern one) and rhythm and Standard Days Method are NOT the same.

NFP is an umbrella term that encompasses so many different methods (symptothermal, Marquette, Creighton, Billings, Two Day, Standard Days) and these modern methods I listed are all very effective. There are oodles of clinical trials proving SDM’s effectiveness for preventing pregnancy for couples who meet the 26 -32 days cycle requirements. It’s not for everyone, sure, but it’s a good option for some women.

Otherwise, I agree with your post. 😉
 
I don’t mean to derail the thread, but the Standard Days Method IS a method of NFP, and rhythm IS a method of NFP (though not a modern one) and rhythm and Standard Days Method are NOT the same.

NFP is an umbrella term that encompasses so many different methods (symptothermal, Marquette, Creighton, Billings, Two Day, Standard Days) and these modern methods I listed are all very effective. There are oodles of clinical trials proving SDM’s effectiveness for preventing pregnancy for couples who meet the 26 -32 days cycle requirements. It’s not for everyone, sure, but it’s a good option for some women.

Otherwise, I agree with your post. 😉
You’re quite right. Thanks for the correction. :tiphat:

I kind of have a knee-jerk reaction to the idea that NFP and the rhythm method are synonymous. Mostly because of those fun contraception charts in gyno offices that say they are the same thing and confuse everyone. 😛
 
I’m just talking for myself here:

My first boyfriend, used porn A LOT. This most definitely, scientifically, changes brain patterns and makes it nearly impossible for that addicted person to engage in sex with a human.

When men and women do that to another person, they are robbing the other person of intimacy. WHY be married? WHY>
 
Is he Catholic?

If so, it is his marital duty to you to give intercourse when you feel the need, even during fertile periods. He is sinning against God and his family by not fulfilling his duties.

My recommendation would be to put him in a situation where he is unable to find a way to say no. Get the kids away, make a nice meal, and wear something nice for a night with just you two.

If that doesn’t work:
  1. A doctor is in order.
  2. Since he seems to refuse a doctor, a more thorough examination of his personal life is in order. This is extreme, and I would recommend other avenues be extinguished first.
I didn’t read that he was refusing sex, only that he never initiates it. If he was refusing sex, then that can be sinful. Having one spouse that rarely initiates is very common.

In addition, if he doesn’t want more children, not wanting to initiate sex is quite logical.
 
I’m just talking for myself here:

My first boyfriend, used porn A LOT. This most definitely, scientifically, changes brain patterns and makes it nearly impossible for that addicted person to engage in sex with a human.
That’s true, porn can impact the ability to have marital relations. To be clear, porn use has not been established in this case. There are any number of reasons why a man may not be interested in initiating.
 
Is it normal for a man on his late fifties to have no, and I mean NO libido?

I understand how it makes one feel if you have to always start things. It’s not nice. Especially when he says no thank you.
I will pray for you.
 
Is it normal for a man on his late fifties to have no, and I mean NO libido?
It depends on his health and mental state of mind. I had issues in my mid-40s until the underlying medical issue was correctly diagnosed and successfully treated. Things have returned to age-adjusted normal. That is, I still have libido and ability, but clearly I’m no longer 20!

As the saying goes, you know you’re over 55 when it takes all night to do what you used to be able to do all night 😛

If there’s NO libido though, I think a trip to the doctor is indicated. That isn’t normal.
 
I don’t mean to derail the thread, but the Standard Days Method IS a method of NFP, and rhythm IS a method of NFP (though not a modern one) and rhythm and Standard Days Method are NOT the same.

NFP is an umbrella term that encompasses so many different methods (symptothermal, Marquette, Creighton, Billings, Two Day, Standard Days) and these modern methods I listed are all very effective. There are oodles of clinical trials proving SDM’s effectiveness for preventing pregnancy for couples who meet the 26 -32 days cycle requirements. It’s not for everyone, sure, but it’s a good option for some women.

Otherwise, I agree with your post. 😉
It sounds like you must have a PHD in Chemical Science before you can make love to your wife, in order not to have more kids.

That would put a damper on any man’s libido! :eek:
 
It sounds like you must have a PHD in Chemical Science before you can make love to your wife, in order not to have more kids.

That would put a damper on any man’s libido! :eek:
It’s really not that complicated. I think both spouses need to be on board with it, though.

I would have no problem with it.
 
Smells pretty fishy to me! Abstaining is only like 10 days isn’t it? Approxmiately. I think it is his libido.
Depends entirely on the method, on how well it works for the particular couple, and how carefully they’re using it.

Most NFP method failures occur due to sex in Phase I, the pre-ovulatory period. This is because it is not possible to p(name removed by moderator)oint ovulation before it happens; an educated guess is as good as you can get. As a result, many couples who really, really need to avoid pregnancy stick to Phase III, the post-ovulatory period. Assuming a fairly standard cycle length of 30 days with an equally standard 14-day luteal phase (the postovulatory period), you would only have 10 days out of every 30 in which you could have sex because you have to wait 3-4 days after ovulation to confirm via temperature/mucus dryup/hormonal testing that you have, in fact, ovulated.

If the woman has a shorter luteal phase–which is not at all uncommon, 10 days and up is considered a normal length–this can mean less than a week out of every month in which they can have sex. Women with abnormal luteal phases (less than 10 days, that is) may find themselves restricted to even fewer, though short luteal phases can be corrected with hormonal treatment if you have access to a doctor who will prescribe the appropriate hormones, rather than telling you to just take contraception and be done with it.

Having all of 6-10 days in a given month, and those all together rather than spaced out over the course of the month*, can mess with one’s libido somewhat. It’s hard to go from careful restraint to “yay, I can be with my spouse!” and then back to restraint in that timeframe.

(Please note I’m not excusing the use of contraception, only highlighting a problem that many couples have with NFP. Contraception has far worse problems, morality being the biggest, of course, but the fact that NFP can be very difficult for some marriages is often ignored by its biggest cheerleaders.)

*For many couples, 6-10x/month would be a normal and fulfilling sex life. The problem is that it’s not instinctual to only have sex in a week or week-and-a-half timeframe out of every thirty days; rather, they’d have sex every 3-4 days or so.
 
Smells pretty fishy to me! Abstaining is only like 10 days isn’t it? Approxmiately. I think it is his libido.
Ten days? I wish!

Double that number and you’d be in the ball park of the number of days hubby and I had to abstain…and I still got pregnant!
 
Ten days? I wish!

Double that number and you’d be in the ball park of the number of days hubby and I had to abstain…and I still got pregnant!
It’s better to just not worry about times etc. and just pray that God will take care of how many children He thinks a couple can afford to bring into the world! 🤷 :yup:
 
Wow, good to know. I did not realize that, but then again I’m just some single guy who happens to watch EWTN now and then.

But I do wonder sometimes if some couples are using NFP when they don’t have a serious enough reason, but maybe we’d best not get into that on this thread.
 
It’s better to just not worry about times etc. and just pray that God will take care of how many children He thinks a couple can afford to bring into the world! 🤷 :yup:
Please tell me you’re being sarcastic?

If not, I’ll be certain to tell that to all those silly moms who thinks that their doctors know what they’re talking about when they tell them “if you don’t want your uterus to rupture, potentially killing both you and your baby, wait 10-12 months to get pregnant after your C-section.”

Or those moms who have had a lot of C-sections and whose uteri have the tensile strength of wet tissue paper.

Or those moms who suffer from severe PPD.

Or those families in Africa who get to watch their kids starve in yet another famine. No doubt they just didn’t trust God enough; if they did, their babies wouldn’t die of malnutrition.

We’re Catholics, not prosperity-gospel believers. We’re called to use the information we have in a moral way and to utilize the virtue of prudence in making decisions.

God didn’t promise us an easy life here, or even that we would receive the minimum we’d need to survive. Look at the saints and martyrs. Sometimes God answered their prayers. Sometimes He didn’t. We don’t always know why we have hardships in this life, but we do know that it is not solely because we don’t trust Him enough.

ETA: In short, that is not an official teaching of the Church. See Humanae Vitae, which points out that, and I quote, it is “not infrequent” that births need to be spaced for one or more reasons, or even indefinitely.
 
No, he doesn’t refuse sex. He just doesn’t initiate it. I guess I just have a big problem with always being the initiator. It makes me feel desperate. Sometimes I DO feel desperate because (especially now in my early 30s) my libido has gone through the roof! I can finally see what people see about it peaking in a woman’s 30s. Lawsy!

While he isn’t keen on getting pregnant now, he’s not refusing because of NFP. We are very informed of my cycle and there are plenty of infertile days to choose from. As it is though, we only average about once a month–sometimes less.

I have told him that I want us to have more intercourse and would like for him to initiate more, but he just sort of nods and nothing happens. This may be my pride speaking but I feel like most men would be pleased to have a fit, decent looking wife eager to jump in the sack. 🤷
 
No, he doesn’t refuse sex. He just doesn’t initiate it. I guess I just have a big problem with always being the initiator. It makes me feel desperate. Sometimes I DO feel desperate because (especially now in my early 30s) my libido has gone through the roof! I can finally see what people see about it peaking in a woman’s 30s. Lawsy!

While he isn’t keen on getting pregnant now, he’s not refusing because of NFP. We are very informed of my cycle and there are plenty of infertile days to choose from. As it is though, we only average about once a month–sometimes less.

I have told him that I want us to have more intercourse and would like for him to initiate more, but he just sort of nods and nothing happens. This may be my pride speaking but I feel like most men would be pleased to have a fit, decent looking wife eager to jump in the sack. 🤷
revertgirl, just throwing out ideas here, trying to brainstorm. What if you were to get more specific with him this month? Catch him when he’s able to have a serious conversation at the beginning of your infertile phase, tell him how sexy you find him, tell him you want him to initiate, and then make a very specific request: You would like him to pick one day this week to initiate sex. It is very important to you and your marriage that he does so. He can pick any day to surprise you, but please, dh, for the love of God, see how important this is to me and initiate sex before Friday. It’s not just about sex this week, it’s about him realizing that this is very important to you. It’s as if you asked him to do any other important task.

If he does initiate, make a big deal out if it. Tell him how much he rocks. How much you love him for it. If Saturday rolls around and he hasn’t done this for you, then it’s time to sit down and explain how hurt you are that he couldn’t do this one thing for you and does he not realize you were serious and that it’s important and maybe you should consider counseling because this is a big deal to you. Then listen to what he says and go from there.
 
No, he doesn’t refuse sex. He just doesn’t initiate it. I guess I just have a big problem with always being the initiator. It makes me feel desperate. Sometimes I DO feel desperate because (especially now in my early 30s) my libido has gone through the roof! I can finally see what people see about it peaking in a woman’s 30s. Lawsy!

While he isn’t keen on getting pregnant now, he’s not refusing because of NFP. We are very informed of my cycle and there are plenty of infertile days to choose from. As it is though, we only average about once a month–sometimes less.

I have told him that I want us to have more intercourse and would like for him to initiate more, but he just sort of nods and nothing happens. This may be my pride speaking but I feel like most men would be pleased to have a fit, decent looking wife eager to jump in the sack. 🤷
If he doesn’t refuse you when you initiate, then initiate whenever you fancy it and don’t feel bad about it 👍. I completely understand how important it is to “feel wanted”, but it doesn’t sound like he is denying you sex. I think THAT is far, far more harmful in a marriage.

Best of luck to you and your lucky husband!
 
You guys have other issues going on in your marriage that need to be resolved. Since you are sexually active you will eventually become pregnant again. If you don’t resolve the issues he is going to resent the pregnancy and things will go down hill further.

Start discussing things with him now. The original post stated it was an up an down relationship. OP has stated she doesn’t feel he is pulling his weight in the marriage and is making excuses for his withdrawal. Please recognize the problems and work on them before another human being is involved.
 
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