Looking for fellow Jewish converts who are now Traditional Catholics

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What I meant is that I am a traditional Roman Catholic, and that is all I am. That’s what “period” meant. I’m sorry if you misunderstood or if it is otherwise problematic for you.

Are you a Roman Catholic?
 
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I define true spirituality as having a personal relationship with God, no matter what religion you follow.
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Using that definition, a person of any religion could possess true spirituality, or even a person who follows no formal religion at all. Yet you have said Judaism lacks spirituality, an assessment I do not agree with.

Edit: Oh, you did say “no matter what religion you follow.” Don’t know why that went over my head except it’s early here on the west coast. My apologies.
 
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I believe there is no salvation outside of the traditional Catholic Faith and Church, however a person might be part of the One True Church (baptism of desire, blood or actual Baptism).

What I meant is that spirituality, to me, is defined by having a personal relationship with God. The only Jews I’ve ever met who seemed to have that were in the Jewish Renewal Movement, however they were so liberal theologically and politically that I ran screaming from them, lol! They worshipped along the lines of the Messianic Jews, and it was actually quite enjoyable, but ultimately it was not for me. They were even open to the idea of accepting Jews who believe in Jesus, even though they felt it wasn’t for them.

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Personally, I feel that judging people is well beyond my job description. Seems to me to be God’s area of sovereignty.
 
Jews in “the old days” often converted to the dominant form of Christianity in their neck of the woods, because they felt they would get better treatment or succeed better in business without discrimination. This is why Jews since have never understood the concept of a Jew becoming a Christian out of sheer genuine faith or desire for contemplative spirituality…they always chalk it off to a desire to get ahead, or mental illness, lol. The carnal mind cannot understand the spiritual.
 
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Jews in “the old days” often converted to the dominant form of Christianity in their neck of the woods, because they felt they would get better treatment or succeed better in business without discrimination. This is why Jews since have never understood the concept of a Jew becoming a Christian out of sheer genuine faith or desire for contemplative spirituality…they always chalk it off to a desire to get ahead, or mental illness, lol. The carnal mind cannot understand the spiritual.
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I respect and appreciate your love for Catholicism, but that does not mean you must denigrate Jews or Judaism so much. Many Jews are contemplative and spiritual. They are certainly not all possessed of a carnal mind-set.
 
Having grown up in an insular Orthodox Jewish community, and having been a practicing Orthodox Jew until my discovery of Christ and finally the Catholic Faith, I think I speak from personal experience in the Jewish community. Anything I say is rooted in firsthand experience as a Jew.

Incidentally, when I referenced carnal vs spiritual, I was using a New Testament expression, to distinguish those who truly know Christ from those who don’t.
 
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Incidentally, what I stated in the post you replied to is historical fact. It was why the family of Karl Marx converted to Lutheranism, it was why the Mendelsohns converted (although composer Felix seems to have had a genuine conversion)…it was often done in history to get ahead in society and business, esp. since societies in times past were anti semitic and worked to keep Jews out. Jews also often modified their names for the same reasons.

Many Jews also tried using the baptism route during WW 2 to escape Nazism, only to find that unlike past antisemites, the Nazis based their contempt for Jews on ethnicity/race, not religion.

These are historical facts, I’m sorry if they trouble you, but they trouble me too.
 
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I wonder why you seem to be so focused on convincing everybody about just how authentically spiritual you are in comparison to others.

Most ‘spiritual’ people I’ve ever come across seem to mainly get on with being, well, spiritual.
 
I’m not trying to convince anyone that I am “spiritual”. I’m just stating how I personally define spirituality.

Why are you on a Catholic forum if you’re Jewish and not Catholic anyway? I assumed this forum was for Catholics and those seeking to become Catholic? I don’t frequent Jewish forums, for the simple reason that I’m Catholic.
 
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Many Jews also tried using the baptism route during WW 2 to escape Nazism, only to find that unlike past antisemites, the Nazis based their contempt for Jews on ethnicity/race, not religion.
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Can you blame them? Who WANTS to go to a concentration camp and probably the ovens? My whole family was German Jewish, originally from Russia. They changed their name from Herzog to Hartsough and made it to safety in England. Well, most did. Not all. I still identify as a Jew who was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church.
 
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Why are you on a Catholic forum if you’re Jewish and not Catholic anyway? I assumed this forum was for Catholics and those seeking to become Catholic?
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No, it’s for everyone. That’s why we have many non-Catholic topics. Our non-Catholic members contribute a lot to the forum.
 
I didn’t say I blamed them, but they failed to understand that the Nazi form of antisemitism was race-based, not religiously-based. This is why Nazis just laughed at desperate Jews who presented baptismal certificates.
 
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Why are you on a Catholic forum if you’re Jewish and not Catholic anyway? I assumed this forum was for Catholics and those seeking to become Catholic? I don’t frequent Jewish forums, for the simple reason that I’m Catholic.
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I think you’ll find that many non-Catholic members of CAF just like discussing various aspects of belief - as do very many Catholic members, obviously - I’ve been here over 11 years, I hope not too annoyingly.
 
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I didn’t say I blamed them, but they failed to understand that the Nazi form of antisemitism was race-based, not religiously-based. This is why Nazis just laughed at desperate Jews who presented baptismal certificates.
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How do you know all of them failed to understand that they were being persecuted for their ethnicity? I’ve read many books written by Jews who survived the Holocaust who did know it was ethnically-based. It’s pretty clear, and was at the time, that Hitler was attempting to create an Aryan society.
 
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Again, it varies. Some knew, some didn’t. Holocaust survivors I have known sometimes said to me they felt baptismal certificates would save them, others knew they wouldn’t.
 
Born and baptized Catholic, converted to Judaism, spent 25 years as a Jew, and I loved it. I lived in Israel and it was truly an amazing and life changing experience. If not for the passion for Gd awakened in me through Judaism I would not be Catholic again now (went through RCIA for adult confirmation a couple years ago). I still consider myself Jewish and am clearly fervently Roman Catholic. I’m sorry your experience with Judaism was spiritually hollow, that was definitely not my experience and I will always have a deep love for Judaism. I do believe the relationship I established with Gd in Judaism is what brought be back to the Church–with a vengeance!😋
 
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