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I’m looking for good book about Mormon religion , from catholic prespective. I know father Pacwa recommended something on EWTN , but can’t remember it now…something which I can learn about Mormon but at the same time remind myself our catholic opinion in the given matter.
 
The First Catholic/Mormon Dialogue (Debate)

Patrick Madrid vs. Gary Coleman
A Catholic/Mormon Debate
 
There needs to be more, a guide to reading the BOM from a Catholic prespective, maybe? :coffeeread:

Catholics have been slow on the draw on this. Maybe because it exposes some of our own shortcomings? :o

:newidea: Maybe I ought to write one, you think? :cool:

There I go again, saying “maybe” I know so little, next to what they think they know. 😛
 
I’m looking for good book about Mormon religion , from catholic prespective. I know father Pacwa recommended something on EWTN , but can’t remember it now…something which I can learn about Mormon but at the same time remind myself our catholic opinion in the given matter.
I am looking for a good book on Catholicism from a Mormon perspective, I wonder if you can recommend me one. 😃

zerinus
 
I am looking for a good book on Catholicism from a Mormon perspective, I wonder if you can recommend me one. 😃

zerinus
A mormon view of Catholicism:
Catholicism on the LDS website

Been a member of the LDS faith since 1971, but been looking at the catholic church for several years, and I can say that both have a somewhat distorted view of each other. Have not attended either church for quite awhile now. Even though I fell out of the Mormon faith, I felt a big ouch, when I read the catholic materials on mormonism, and same as the other way around from the other perspective, mormons view of Catholicism.
 
A mormon view of Catholicism:
Catholicism on the LDS website

Been a member of the LDS faith since 1971, but been looking at the catholic church for several years, and I can say that both have a somewhat distorted view of each other. Have not attended either church for quite awhile now. Even though I fell out of the Mormon faith, I felt a big ouch, when I read the catholic materials on mormonism, and same as the other way around from the other perspective, mormons view of Catholicism.
We have no doctrine re:Mormonism, Mormonism however doctrinally calls our creeds an abomination and us, the professors of that creed, corrupt.
 
Actually, some of those articles on the LDS website on Catholics are pretty well written and acurate. I’m kind of amazed. Check them out.
 
this is clearly wrong though:

"Confirmation is administered by the bishop to the child who has reached his eighth year. This is done by the imposition of hands and the anointing of the forehead as an outward sign of the strengthening of faith, the increase of sanctifying grace, and the gifts of the Holy Ghost. "
 
Actually, some of those articles on the LDS website on Catholics are pretty well written and acurate. I’m kind of amazed. Check them out.
You will get more results by typing the search term “Catholic Church” (with quotes). Results here. As I was quickly looking through those results, this one in particular caught my attention. That was the experience of an African boy, which occured in Nigeria. Kind of interesting in the light of the “Black and LDS” thread! 🙂

zerinus
 
this is clearly wrong though:

"Confirmation is administered by the bishop to the child who has reached his eighth year. This is done by the imposition of hands and the anointing of the forehead as an outward sign of the strengthening of faith, the increase of sanctifying grace, and the gifts of the Holy Ghost. "
Why is that wrong? According to the Wikipedia article on Confirmation:

Confirmation is a rite of initiation in many Christian Churches, normally in the form of laying on of hands and/or anointing for the purpose of bestowing the Gifts of the Holy Spirit upon them. In some denominations, confirmation bestows full membership in the church upon the recipient. In others, such as the Roman Catholic Church, confirmation “renders the bond with the Church more perfect”, but a baptized person is already a full member.

Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches, and Anglicans, view Confirmation as a sacrament. In the East is conferred on infants immediately after baptism, but in the West is usually administered later at the age of reason or in early adolescence.

According to canon law for the Latin or Western Catholic Church, the sacrament is to be conferred on the faithful at about the age of discretion (generally taken to be about 7), unless the Episcopal Conference has decided on a different age, or there is danger of death or, in the judgement of the minister, a grave reason suggests otherwise (canon 891 of the Code of Canon Law). The number of Episcopal Conferences that have set a later age, usually between 14 and 16 years of age, has diminished in recent decades, and even in those countries a bishop may not refuse to confer the sacrament on younger children who request it, provided they are baptized, have the use of reason, are suitably instructed and are properly disposed and able to renew the baptismal promises (letter of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments published in its 1999 bulletin, pages 537-540). Source

Seems pretty accurate to me.

zerinus
 
Why is that wrong? According to the Wikipedia article on Confirmation:

Confirmation is a rite of initiation in many Christian Churches, normally in the form of laying on of hands and/or anointing for the purpose of bestowing the Gifts of the Holy Spirit upon them. In some denominations, confirmation bestows full membership in the church upon the recipient. In others, such as the Roman Catholic Church, confirmation “renders the bond with the Church more perfect”, but a baptized person is already a full member.

Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches, and Anglicans, view Confirmation as a sacrament. In the East is conferred on infants immediately after baptism, but in the West is usually administered later at the age of reason or in early adolescence.

According to canon law for the Latin or Western Catholic Church, the sacrament is to be conferred on the faithful at about the age of discretion (generally taken to be about 7), unless the Episcopal Conference has decided on a different age, or there is danger of death or, in the judgement of the minister, a grave reason suggests otherwise (canon 891 of the Code of Canon Law). The number of Episcopal Conferences that have set a later age, usually between 14 and 16 years of age, has diminished in recent decades, and even in those countries a bishop may not refuse to confer the sacrament on younger children who request it, provided they are baptized, have the use of reason, are suitably instructed and are properly disposed and able to renew the baptismal promises (letter of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments published in its 1999 bulletin, pages 537-540). Source

Seems pretty accurate to me.

zerinus
oh yeah wikipedia is the authoratative source of catholic doctrine.:rolleyes:

bishops decide the policy for each diocese but here in the USA i have usually seen it for 16 year olds. they usually require a two year program of study as well and local pastors will often times put specific requirements into the religious eduction program for it to ensure that this sacrament is clearly understood and desired by the individual.
 
unless the Episcopal Conference has decided on a different age

From the US Conference of Catholic Bishops

Age of Confirmation Decreed

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WASHINGTON (August 31, 2001) – Following recognition by the Holy See, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has decreed that the age for conferring the Sacrament of Confirmation in the Latin Rite dioceses of the United States will be between “the age of discretion and about sixteen years of age.”

Bishop Joseph A. Fiorenza of Galveston-Houston, President of the USCCB, issued the “decree of promulgation” on August 21. It was countersigned by Monsignor William P. Fay, General Secretary of the USCCB.

The decree follows approval last November by the nation’s Latin Rite bishops of legislation for the United States setting the age for conferring the Sacrament of Confirmation at between the age of discretion (considered to be about age seven) and “about sixteen years of age.” The Holy See’s Congregation for Bishops gave its recognition of the U.S. Bishops’ action on May 9.

The 1983 Code of Canon Law sets the age for conferring Confirmation "at about the age of discretion unless the conference of bishops has determined another age … " (Canon 891).
The decree becomes effective July 1, 2002.
 
I’m looking for good book about Mormon religion , from catholic prespective. I know father Pacwa recommended something on EWTN , but can’t remember it now…something which I can learn about Mormon but at the same time remind myself our catholic opinion in the given matter.
Could it be this one? amazon.com/Tale-Two-Cities-Mormons-Catholics/dp/0933046022/ref=pd_sim_b_1

I have this one and have liked it. It presents the theologies side by side for easier reading. Fr. Bill Taylor is in my diocese and I have personally heard him speak on the subject. He is very respectful to the LDS beliefs. Many of his family members are LDS.
 
Mormons are not Christian. They may be “something” but they’re not Christian. This is the essence of the issue. That’s not a criticism, it’s just a fact.

No doctrine needs to be quoted, the evidence is clear when you consider that Mormons, when converting to Catholic, are baptized, even if they were previously “baptized” as Mormons.

There was a Mormon in my RCIA class. She wasn’t even given a “conditional” baptism, she was just baptized along with all the others that had never been baptized before.

Ecumenism and dialog is great, and if it causes anyone to give up heretical beliefs, more the better. But the plain fact is that our Church does not consider a Mormon baptism valid. This is not meant to hurt anyone’s feelings, it’s just reality.

Mormons need to come home to the Church that really WAS founded by Jesus Christ, not the one invented by Joseph Smith.
 
oh yeah wikipedia is the authoratative source of catholic doctrine.:rolleyes:

bishops decide the policy for each diocese but here in the USA i have usually seen it for 16 year olds. they usually require a two year program of study as well and local pastors will often times put specific requirements into the religious eduction program for it to ensure that this sacrament is clearly understood and desired by the individual.
The Wikipedia article gives sources for its statements. It doesn’t just talk baloney. The canon law of the Catholic has determined the age of confirmation to be the age of reason or discretion, which according to the canon law is 7:

Can. 97 §2. A minor before the completion of the seventh year is called an infant and is considered not responsible for oneself (non sui compos). With the completion of the seventh year, however, a minor is presumed to have the use of reason. Source

Can. 891 The sacrament of confirmation is to be conferred on the faithful at about the age of discretion unless the conference of bishops has determined another age, or there is danger of death, or in the judgment of the minister a grave cause suggests otherwise. Emphasis added] Source

The amount of flexibility the local bishops have to determine the date in individual cases is beside the point. See also the following links:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_reason_(canon_law)
adoremus.org/ConfirmationAge.html

zerinus
 
zerinus

I don’t know where you are going with your post but most of the time if a person was born to Catholic Parents and the parents baptized them as infants the next step would be a child’s first communion at around the age of 8 (this is the time a Mormon baptism/ Confirmation would take place- as you know) and then a teen would recieve thier confirmation. I recieved mine at 17 and my mom recieved her in 7th or 8th grade.

I believe the Catholic Church wants to make sure that the ones being confirmed are doing so with deep understanding. I went to many years of CCD Classes (on wednesday night) to teach me about the faith I was being raised in and when it came time to be confirmed I did so because I wanted to. Not to say some parents don’t push thier teens but most of the time the teen want it.

The Sacraments of Initiation are
Baptism Euchorist and Confirmation

I hope that makes sense 🙂

a good book is called New Look at the Sacraments by Bausch, William J. ISBN: 0-89622-174-1

It gives a really good history of sacraments and how they evolved to what they are today

great link look under section 2 chapter 1 🙂 scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm

God bless!
 
The Wikipedia article gives sources for its statements. It doesn’t just talk baloney. The canon law of the Catholic has determined the age of confirmation to be the age of reason or discretion, which according to the canon law is 7:
Can. 97 §2. A minor before the completion of the seventh year is called an infant and is considered not responsible for oneself (non sui compos). With the completion of the seventh year, however, a minor is presumed to have the use of reason. Source

Can. 891 The sacrament of confirmation is to be conferred on the faithful at about the age of discretion unless the conference of bishops has determined another age, or there is danger of death, or in the judgment of the minister a grave cause suggests otherwise. Emphasis added] Source
The amount of flexibility the local bishops have to determine the date in individual cases is beside the point. See also the following links:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_reason_(canon_law)
adoremus.org/ConfirmationAge.html

zerinus
I have personally know of hundreds of Catholics in my area that received the Sacrament of Confirmation as infants.

Wikipedia is a horrible source of information.
 
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