Lost and don't know what to do

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Thank you for the link to dr irene. I joined that site a couple of years ago, but unfortunately it was after I went back to my husband. If I’d known about this site sooner I may have been able to stay out permanently.

There’s alot of good support there and it would have helped me to understand my situation better and think things out before deciding to return to H.

I know I was/am an abused wife. I live with the trauma of it daily - the memories of being cursed at, having coffee thrown at me, shoved, pushed and being trapped in a car screaming with someone who threatens to stop in the middle of the highway because you couldn’t find directions on a map fast enough.

That was my life. Now because my H has reformed and has MS, I owe him the rest of it?
 
Dear dermot2,

I hear that you are not in danger currently except for your painful memories. You say he has reformed, yet I don’t hear any particular joy from you like in the prodigal son story or something. Are you tentatively wary that he may not really be reformed, or has he really – and if so, does that bring you any happiness or just a cautious sigh of relief?

You say you are not frightened any more; that’s a great thing. Whether you move away from him or not, I think the hardest part might be to truly forgive him; if you don’t he will still haunt you from even a distance through your own mind.

Alan
 
Alan:

I guess that by the time H decided to change, the damage was already too deep. I feel no joy, because in the absence of abuse, it just seems like there isn’t much there. At least for me, what is there to validate that I even existed in this marriage? There are no children, no really happy memories. All I am is a housekeeper and someone who contributed to the retirement account.

It’s not all his fault. I should have acted sooner to put an end to the abuse and the lack of sex so that we could have a real marraige and children. But I was so young when I married, and I had no idea how to deal with issues like abuse and rage. I had never experienced either growing up.

I do wonder though, why God allowed me to make such poor choices.
 
Alan:
It’s not all his fault. I should have acted sooner to put an end to the abuse and the lack of sex so that we could have a real marraige and children. But I was so young when I married, and I had no idea how to deal with issues like abuse and rage. I had never experienced either growing up.

I do wonder though, why God allowed me to make such poor choices.
You are not alone. I don’t think anybody knows of a really good way to deal with anger and rage on someone else’s part.

I also wonder why I am led to some of the choices I make when I look back at them, and somehow things just don’t make sense. Here I could do some serious thread hijacking, but I’ll just leave it with letting you know there are people who care and would like to see you have the best life you can from here on out.

Alan
 
I do wonder though, why God allowed me to make such poor choices.
that is what makes us human, our ability to make wrong choices. Just remember what may appear to be a mistake on your part could just be a mistake on someone else’s part. You H failed not you. God Bless
 
Is his attempt to behave real? Or just a way to manipulate you so that his caretaker doesn’t leave?
 
I disagree. Regardless of the motivation to marry, I think a marriage is defined by a promise made before the Church and God that does present an obligation which should be followed. After 20 years of marriage my wife and I wouldn’t be together if we left each other when things didn’t feel right. In the case of this thread, we have very serious issues which might make the marriage invalid and for almost the first time it is helping me see the difference between divorce and annulment. I think the OP has received much good advice on both sides, but I am so unfamiliar with abuse issues that I don’t think I’ll try to tell her which way to go at this point.

Alan
If I had to deal with what the OP did, I would be thinking about my safety…and sanity and I would be finding someone to help me. There is a difference between working at something and being a doormat. I don’t think that’s what the good Lord had in mind when he created marriage.

Kathy
 
If I were the OP, I would go pronto to a priest and see about an annulment. Even go just for counseling.
I don’t think she has to put up with feeling like a doormat.
 
Is his attempt to behave real? Or just a way to manipulate you so that his caretaker doesn’t leave?
I think if his change was authentic, there would be healing and a feeling of being loved. Has he truly changed or just become more covert in his self centered tactics?
 
That’s the thing, Ana. He seems to be a narcissist. And if he truly was giving her love, that would change things. One can’t help but respond to genuine love. I think the OP knows when he’s just going through the motions. And she’s been going through the motions for so long she is numb. Probably ready to become comatose. I can understand that instinct for self-preservation.

My xh went to some counseling sessions to keep me from leaving him about nine years ago. So he could say he “tried.” (and keep me from leaving because he needed me to be here six months with the kids so the local courts would take jurisdiction and I couldn’t leave.) But there was no real change in his behavior. By that time I was so dead inside it showed up in photographs and made my mother cry.

So I’m very very wary of the possibility that someone is being manipulative and working for their own self interest.
 
I can honestly say that I no longer know whether my H’s actions are the result of his wanting to keep me as a caretaker and not wanting to mess up his retirement funds, or whether he truly loves me.

That’s pretty sad isn’t it. I know he’s terrified of what people will think if we divorce and how bad it will look that his wife lieft him event hough he has MS. Appearnaces matter alot to him. When we were separated, he never told anyone – just let the neighbours think I was away taking care of my Mom.

All I can tell you is we never laugh, we don’t hug and smile at one another, and of course the intimacy was gone 20 years ago. It just seems like two people trapped.
 
Dermot, the one thing I learned is we can’t change other people. But sometimes if we change how we act, they change in order to adjust to us! Is there anything you can do differently to at least bring laughter into the picture? For your own sanity? Go see a funny movie? Putt putt golf? Just something to break the cycle?

Right now you are living in a whited sepulchre full of dead men’s bones. It looks great from the street. And maybe your husband is satisfied with that. But that’s not enough for you, nor should it be. Before you leave, make sure there isn’t an ounce of humor left. Sometimes that can melt a world of ice.
 
Dermot, never having been in a similar situation, my perspective may be totally askew or it may be helpful but here goes:

You sound like you’re conscientious and also concerned about what people might think. Being conscientious is good - allowing your decisions to be shaped by other people’s disapproval, is not good.

Unhappiness is not a good state in which to make sound, major decisions. Could you be clinically depressed? See what your doctor thinks; if necessary, get that part sorted out before you take further steps to turn your life around.

One important thing to remember is that happiness is a decision that comes from within. I hated hearing that at the low points in my life, so I hope you’ll take this advice in the spirit it’s given. The reason it’s important to acknowledge this is because without asserting control over our own happiness, it will remain subject to external factors and therefore always be fleeting and elusive.
Put another way, happiness is real and lasting only when it comes from within and is not dependent on life situations.

Once your mood is stabilized through professional help, prayer, family support in whatever combination you choose, then look at other things.

You may wonder how this could happen if you remain in the same situation, but remember we’re proceeding on the assumption that your environment is not in control - you are. Since you have been in this situation a long time and since the abuse part is in the past according to what I’ve read in your post, this course might be preferable to making major decisions in a state of emotional distress.

Once you’re feeling less depressed, you may have a new or clearer perspective. To begin with, focus on yourself - not your husband; in such a situation, this is not a selfish choice but a sensible one. Your yesterdays might seem less wasted if your todays seemed worthwhile. What are your interests, passions, talents? Find ways to use them? Wish you had a child? Maybe you’d like to volunteer at a place where you’d have contact with kids or even mentor one. Join a group or club that matches your interests. Dive deep into your parish life…

Once you’re feeling better and getting involved in things you love, automatically one problem will be solved: your life will no longer revolve around the pain and unhappiness of your marriage. That would be a good time to turn your attention to hubby.

Decide how you really feel about him. I totally understand your not wanting to leave him alone now that he has MS. By the time you get to this stage, there’ll have been some reaction from him to the changes in you. Use that reaction to help guide your decisions.

There probably are only two compassionate choices that a conscientious person such as you could live with:
  1. Get the marriage annulled while letting him know that you will be there for him if his health requires it, to the extent that you are able. If he’s unwilling to accept that, you are not responsible because it’s an offer over and beyond the call of duty anyway. By the time you get to this stage you will have regained a much clearer sense of what you are and are not responsible for with regards to other people.
  2. Stay, if you think it’s worth a try and if he is willing to make an attempt at a real marriage but get a priest’s advice on the validity question and what can be done to correct it. The only promising indications in your posts that your husband may be open to change are the cessation of abuse and the fact that he has a serious illness, something that often draws the hard-hearted to God.
Don’t expect either decision to be easy, which is why I don’t recommend attempting them in your present state. Whatever you decide, you must relinquish two things: guilt over your decision and regret about the past. Those two are sure to spoil any recipe for happiness. Whatever’s past is water under the bridge, place that in God’s hands and make your present count.

Be sure that I’ll pray for you.
 
You know its so easy to just say that marriage is forever, you took the oath and so on and then you hear a story like yours. Its so sad how some people have it. And its not fair. I guess we all can learn from you that no one has a right to judge anyone. We hear about this person and that getting divorced or splitting up but untill we live in that relationship who knows, huh. My heart goes out to you and I pray that God will give you the right path to take. But please no matter what you do remember you deserve Peace. And dont let guilt play a role in what you do. Maybe its time you become a little selfish and put yourself first for a change. Sounds like you never have, You have alot of good things ahead for you. Just keep praying to GOD he will give you the right answers. But take your time. But it also has to be what you want. Not everyone else this time. You. Hey Christmas is the magic season. I pray you will have a wonderful one. Lots of peace is what i wish for you, lots of love and peace.
 
I’ve been reading all your posts and they’re giving me strength and a reason to hope.

I have to get ready for work but will respond over the week-end.

God Bless
 
I finally gathered enough nerve two days ago to tell my husband all the things that have been dperessing me and causing me to want to separate, including the lack of intimacy in our M ( now over 23 years and counting). I poured my heart out hoping for some kind of caring and sympathetic response.

All he did was get very quiet. He left the room and spent the rest of the evening alone by himself. He also flaty refused (again) marriage counselling.

Now it’s a couople of days later and he’s acting like nothing is wrong.

I can’t live like this, even for the sake of his multiple sclerosis. One person alone can’t carry a marriage or make things better. He just wants status quo – a housekeeper and cook.

I need and want love and intimacy.

So what dio I do now? I’m thinking of separating in a few months.
 
I am so sorry you received the response you received from your husband. I could hear your heart break through the words of your story. I wish I could tell you or suggest to to you what to do, but all I know is to pray and seek the council of a loving priests who you trust. Please know that you are cared about and that the rest of us are praying with you.

Hail Mary, full of grace The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death
 
I finally gathered enough nerve two days ago to tell my husband all the things that have been dperessing me and causing me to want to separate, including the lack of intimacy in our M ( now over 23 years and counting). I poured my heart out hoping for some kind of caring and sympathetic response.

All he did was get very quiet. He left the room and spent the rest of the evening alone by himself. He also flaty refused (again) marriage counselling.

Now it’s a couople of days later and he’s acting like nothing is wrong.

I can’t live like this, even for the sake of his multiple sclerosis. One person alone can’t carry a marriage or make things better. He just wants status quo – a housekeeper and cook.

I need and want love and intimacy.

So what dio I do now? I’m thinking of separating in a few months.
I can’t even imagine how painful this was for you. 😦

I can’t really tell you what to do. If it were me, I guess I’d seek the advice of a good priest and go from there. Just know that whatever happens, you will most definitely have all the love and support from all of us here. :console:
 
All of our hearts are reaching out to you. Please know that GOd is listening to you also. I have a short story for you that may help. I like the rest of these people believe in marriage. But we also can see there are times that there is something that needs to be done. A friend of mine who wasnt catholic went to a Christian Man for therapy. He told her he truely believes in marriage but after meeting her husband there was no hope. He told her he has never said that in his years of practice. This was the first… I am not saying this is the cure for you but you must do what she did first. Work on you first, find someone to talk to first, your healthcare will hopefully provide this, THen after, see if he will go. First go for you, let him think its for you. that might help. If he thinks its to help you it may get him there, its really not a trick because this could be your last straw to keep your marriage alive. Maybe not. But at least you tried. Just a thought. Im praying for you. I will light a candle for you this week. Just hold on and wait for GOd to lead you where you need to go. Trust God he is hearing you.
 
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