Loud children at Mass. thoughts?

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I actually have a Christian counselor who has helped me to make some hard hard decisions in forgiving people, understand the love God has for me, and what true manhood is according to sacred scripture…
 
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Excellent. I am however speaking of the norm. Take a look at even Christian journals of pscyhology/counseling and you’ll see bare mention.
 
Your definition of “curious” is very different from the way it is colloquially used. No one is training children to not be able to focus on a task. Inattentiveness is one of the top complaints of teachers. Being quiet and still does not equal being attentive, engaged, or understanding on any deep level. There’s tons of research on that subject.
 
I agree with you. That’s the problem. Parents can be so proud that little Johnny is curious and picks up everthing and takes these things apart, leaving them apart in many cases!

The ancients and the Dominicans understand the difference. Practicing to be studious develops the person in more ways than skitting across the surface of things.

ADHD is unwanted multitasking!

We need to teach children how to monotask, at depth and length.

This calls for more work, but it leads to more virtuous children, children who can push back when their appetites bark.
 
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You do understand that the fact that a toddler or preschooler doesn’t attend to what you want them to, doesn’t mean they are unable to attend, don’t you? That’s just the issue. The kids are noisy in Mass because they are disallowed from attending to what interests them.
 
My wife is a Montessori teacher and a teacher of the Catechesis of the Good Shephard. Those techniques and teaching practices (and the materials) allow very young children to take things to depth.
 
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One of the most basic principles of Montessori methods is that the work the child does is based on their interests. And it’s almost always work that done with the hands manipulating objects, especially at that age.
 
“The kids are noisy in Mass because they are disallowed from attending to what interests them.”

I disagree.

It’s the behavior of the child the other 6 days that is telling of what happens on the Lord’s Day.
 
No it’s not. It’s based on a teacher’s effortful observation about what’s next for the child.
 
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Yes. No one makes toddlers and preschoolers sit perfectly still for an hour and pretend to listen to something that they don’t fully understand and that may adults can’t even manage to maintain attention on on any other day of the week. That doesn’t mean they are dull children who never maintain sustained attention to anything. It just means they aren’t attending to what you want them to attend to.
 
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I love this ludicrous criterion: One hour. Who says?

Let a child come to Mass and practice being quiet and relatively still for 10 minutes one week.
The next week 10 minutes and a bit more.

They won’t improve (that is GROW in the virtue of temperance) if that same practice in other things isn’t done day in and day out.

60 minutes? LOL
 
It’s based on observing the interests of the child and building skills upon the skills they have already mastered.
 
The length of Sunday Mass is about an hour where I am, particularly since we try to get in a few minute early so we can get settled and pray. So in your mind it isn’t showing love to have children squirm, ask questions, and even fuss because that bothers people, but it’s cool to come into Mass with the intention of leaving after ten minutes, picking up a whole family of children, their coats, etc, and climbing out of the pew?
 
Actually it’s not at all. It’s based on the MASTERY of a given lesson, not by reading minds about how interested a child seems.

Is the dexterity present. Was the lesson completed to the standard. How refined was the care of the materials. etc.

Criteria exist outside of “teachers” who pretend they can divine the attention span of a child!!
 
progression to the goal.

that’s what’s done.

Throwing down 60 minutes as the goal is utter silliness.

No parent does this, or they’re stupid if they think that’s how their child should learn how to be present at Mass.
 
Apparently you think everyone who disagrees with you is stupid. Children who get bored in Mass are stupid. Teachers who disagree with you aren’t real teachers. You’re also avoiding the question. Are you arguing that an entire family should get up Sunday morning, get dressed, and go to church for ten minutes, then leave in the middle of Mass, for weeks at a time, in order to avoid being a distraction to others? You don’t see how problematic that premise is?
 
Correction: it’s about INFERRING an invisible entity called attention from physical action. That’s called reading minds.

Not even goofy psychologists (at least the less goofier ones) would say they can determine actual attention span by observing behavior.
 
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