Love, Unity, Binity and Trinity

[Karen107]

If you insist on Trinity then there will be always conflicts between Christians and with Muslims. Muslims are not happy with that. Muslims want/wish to see Christians on a true faith. The salvation is by faith and the religion suppport faith. Muslims believe in all prophets so there are no any risk for them. But Christians do not respect prophet Muhammed and if indeed Muhammed is a real prophet(Christians do not believe exactly) then there will be danger for Christians because they deny a prophet.

Why should there be a conflict if God means us to love one another, why would Muslims be unhappy that people don’t believe as they believe. Being Christian is a good way to live… Jesus teaches us to love and care for one another, why would that make any one unhappy? I would ask yourself what are you truly believing because God loves all especially the ones who love and care for one another… It should not make anyone unhappy…

I just told you we know that Jesus is a prophet because Jesus is God, all things were made through Him, with Him and In Him because Jesus has always been with the Father… John 1:3 …Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Colossians 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

We have one God and that is our Father as Jesus mentioned. I want to remind that caution from God:

1. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Three (Trinity)” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. Quran, An-Nisa(4):171

Now I want you to question your own book… The Muslim religion came to be AFTER Christianity Started, Christianity started with Jesus founding the Church in 33 AD and the Islam religion, offskirted from that at about the 6 century. You know about Mary and Jesus yet you do not follow what the bible says about Mary and Jesus, you follow another book created almost 5 centuries after Jesus was born so common sense should tell you that what you have been taught about Jesus is incorrect…

The prophet Muhammad (circa 570-632 A.D.) introduced Islam in 610 - See more at: allaboutreligion.org/origin-of-islam.htm#sthash.hGsffj0B.dpuf

and so changed the New testament to become more in line with what Muslims believe rather than what Christians believe… This is where the deception happened as you mentioned previously. And what does the name Islam come from? the word enslave… God does not want us enslaved to Him… God wants us to love Him and love is never love unless it is given freely…

It will be better if we say that : God is one

Actually It is better to say God is a Triune God because then we would be saved and can spend eternity in heaven with God… 3 in 1 so we will have a way to the Father through Jesus… Now I ask you, how do you get to heaven and why wouldn’t you call God the Father when clearly in the scriptures God is called the Father… ? And while you are thinking about that, can you imagine what it means to have the Creator of Heaven and earth as Our Father, who wants the best for us and loves us Sooo much, he even became man so that we would be reunited with Him in heaven in Gods heavenly home? I much rather go to a loving Father than a God who wants me to be his slave… Think about it…

 

[Vico]

If the relations are necessary, God isn’t omnipotent.

Person is essence and the persons are the relations. Necessary means essential.

 

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Hasantas: You are dedicated to your faith, and I realize that there is nothing we can say to change your mind, but you can understand why we can’ agree with you on some very essential points, believing that Jesus Christ is God-man, Savior of Mankind, and the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity especially. Our faith is founded upon Jesus so it up to Him whether you will ever convert, not us. We agree where we can, and disagree where we must, in the spirit of Christian love. We do agree on one very essential point, that God is One, the Creator of all things, and to Him we owe our allegiance, adoration and love. I know of a muslim who received the grace of conversion. He was about to take his own life because he thought that he had failed Allah, but instead he had an encounter with Jesus. Now he is evangelizing his brothers, and even had his life threatened, but he keeps on going. Read the chapter in the Bible about St. Paul’s conversion, people are still being cured of their blindness by Jesus, we all suffer from a partial blindness in some manner. How can we understand if we are intellectually blind, and are convinced that we are not! You are safe though, in your belief in One God, and He takes care of all His children, and they are not responsible for the mistakes of their ancestors. Ask yourself, do you have a relationship with Allah, we have a relationship with God in Jesus Christ!

A question:

If someone look at Bible without any prejudices and orientations then which conlusion will he arrive at? Which thought(being Son of Father(God, Lord) or prophet of God) will be dominant?
And we must assume the Father as Lord because that word(Father) is used for that. Perhaps in original text Father was Lord.

 

[hasantas]

Why should there be a conflict if God means us to love one another, why would Muslims be unhappy that people don’t believe as they believe. Being Christian is a good way to live… Jesus teaches us to love and care for one another, why would that make any one unhappy? I would ask yourself what are you truly believing because God loves all especially the ones who love and care for one another… It should not make anyone unhappy…

 

[hasantas]

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God send prophets but does not their job. Otherwise ther will be no mean.

Jesus performed the miracle because He is God…

God does not perform miracles but God give miracles to prophets. Otherwise all works of God are miracle. Forexample animating a plant is a miracle because human or something else cannot do. Think numbers of plants!!

Because Gods plan is in the Father who is the Creator of heaven and earth and everything on it…

Right.

Jesus is saying that they didn’t know the Father but Jesus knows the Father because He is from Him… (a prophet is not from God, a profit, whould he be a man, would come from His human parents… )

All prohets were from God but not from something else. From Him does not mean a part from Him. That mean Jesus was sent by Him as Jesus mentioned repeatedly.

Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit (Joseph was the adoptive father of Jesus as it says in the scriptures) and they lived in Galilee so therefore the people of Galilee did not believe Jesus was God because they thought He was one of them… But Jesus was both human and God and came from humble roots… Not some earthly royalty King ruler that they had expected so denied Jesus and so Jesus wasn’t able to do any miracles there due to their lack of faith in Him so they rebuked everything He said… …

They did not think that He was a prophet. If Jesus was God then nothing would harm Him.

That shows that Jesus and the Father are one…

Jesus and father are one because Jesus had never did or said anything which God did not wish.

Honor is given, it is not taken… That is a teaching of Christ who is both a King and a Servant…

I agree.

Jesus is Priest, Prophet and the Messiah King… All three…!

Yes. Vey good.

The Father is greater than all men so no men is able to pluck them out of His Fathers hand…

Right.

No… That’s your interpretation. I just explained all these verses you just left…

That can be interpretation of many people. I wonder what the percentage will be according to impartial people!

Yes Satan decieves a lot of people so Jesus said to the Apostles who began the Church who God entrusted the truth in… 1 Timothy 3:15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household

, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Yes Satan deceives a lot of people.

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

And that is right.

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[Karen107]

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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” .

The Word Became Flesh
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

God does not perform miracles but God give miracles to prophets. Otherwise all works of God are miracle. Forexample animating a plant is a miracle because human or something else cannot do. Think numbers of plants!!

When prophets do miracles it is by Gods hand, but Jesus as God didn’t need to ask God for miracles, He just did them! Moses for example was told to go and do Gods miracles, No one had to instruct Jesus on healing, and removing demons, and turning water into wine, the miracle of the fish, etc. Jesus did all these miracles so that people would believe He was God so that they would be brought to heaven through our belief in Him and when He was dying and they asked Him if he was King Messiah, He did not deny it… He never denied He was God but rather proved to people that He was God in order that they might have faith…

Right.

All prohets were from God but not from something else. From Him does not mean a part from Him. That mean Jesus was sent by Him as Jesus mentioned repeatedly.

Look at what God says in Genesis which should be in your Qu’ran because the OT are both part of the our sacred scripture. God uses the word ‘us’ and ‘our’ because He was referring to the other persons of God… The Son and the Holy Spirit…

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image,** in our** likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

That goes with all the other scriptures I’ve shown you that Jesus was with God since the beginning…In Revelation Jesus identifies himself as ” I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” (Revelation 22:13) and here:Luke 10:22
“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” The Son reveals the Father to us… They do not know the Father in Islam because they do not follow the Son… So they think the Father is wrathful instead of loving and merciful… That’s why there are so many Islam who kill for Allah.

They did not think that He was a prophet. If Jesus was God then nothing would harm Him.

They did not know what they did… They killed an innocent man who was God because they felt their beliefs and their power threatened… Just like some people of Islam do to Christians…They treated Jesus very badly except for the ones who knew the truth about Jesus…Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots. Jesus could have saved Himself but if He had than there would be no Saving us… So Jesus did the will of God the Father and sacrificed Himself for us so that we would be made pure and holy because our sins would be forgiven and we could be with God the Father in heaven, which is a place of purity and light!..

Jesus and father are one because Jesus had never did or said anything which God did not wish.

I agree.

Yes. Vey good.

Right.

That can be interpretation of many people. I wonder what the percentage will be according to impartial people!

**The truth is not determined by vote. The truth is the truth! Tell me how you will get to heaven if you don’t believe in Jesus as Your Savior? **

Yes Satan deceives a lot of people.

And that is right.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

“It can be said that the Father loves the Son by the Holy Spirit and the Son loves the Father by the Holy Spirit.” Does not the Father love the Son as He begets Him?

Could the greatest commandments possibly describe how Jesus is one with the Father?

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Father loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

Could the spirit be the power of God’s love, working through these commandments?

1 Samuel 18, Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself.
(Taken from the New International Bible.)

John 15
9 ‘As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you

Could God love us more than he loves himself?

 

[Karen107]

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What is the relation between love and what I said? Did I tell anything about love? Does Islam say hate each other?

Many in Islam say that those who don’t believe as they believe should be killed in the name of Allah and keep people in bondage and kill innocent Christians just because of their beliefs… That’s not love…

If all things were through/for Him(Jesus) then that mean all things were made by some one other. And that is exact what I mean.

Since the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, God who is the Creator, works through them… Jesus is the visible Image of the Invisible God…

There is a haidths : If my love you(Muhammed) was not be then I(God) would not create universes.

I didn’t understand that

Quran tell what exactly was written in Bible. If you read Bible without any prejudices you will be more close to Quran but not to the Doctrine which was created by people later.

You’re incorrect on that. The bible and the Quran both share the OT from Genesis to the New Testament in common, so the same roots of our faith, but the New Testament was changed in Islam to take away from the Christian belief that Jesus is God… Jesus is the new Adam who restored union with God that Adam and Eve lost due to their sin… We both share the roots of our faith in Judiasm but the Church is the New Isreal which was fulfilled in Jesus Christ in 33 AD… The religion of Islam didn’t start until many centuries later… That’s the gospel truth!
Here’s it on wiki, but you are free to look for yourself when Islam started…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
Islam (/ˈɪslɑːm/;[note 1] Arabic: الإسلام‎, al-ʾIslām IPA: ælʔɪsˈlæːm] ( listen)[note 2]) is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion articulated by the Qur’an, an Islamic holy book considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Allāh), and for the vast majority of adherents, also by the teachings, normative example and way of life (or sunnah); it also is composed of prophetic traditions (or hadith) of Muhammad (c. 570–8 June 632 CE), considered by most of them to be the last prophet of God. An adherent of Islam is called a Muslim (sometimes spelled Moslem)

Islam mean resignation and submittal. Muslims submitted to what informed by God through prophet Muhammed.

Slaves have to submit to their master… There’s the problem and why so many Islamists are fighters for Allah…

Muslims did not change or go after mystery…

Muslim started their own beliefs not centered on Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh, but on the prophet Mohammed… God is a mystery, His truths bring us into prophecies of what it will be like in heaven and all sorts of revelations that can’t be explain by scientific means… God is a mystery that is why there are prophets, only some prophets don’t tell the truth because they have too much ‘human’ revelation in them so are unreliable.

The slave does not correspond to “abd”. Abd does not mean slave but abd mean the creature which is cretaed by God and is under ruling of God. We are abd al Allah(abdullah) because God created us, feed us, give life and all our needs. So we must submit Him to be Islam.

We are blessed by God, but God doesn’t expect us to come unwillingly because someone forces us to believe in Him just because He made us. That’s not love that’s not how He wants us to be. .God wants us to love Him of our own free will…

People have/had way to God through prophets and Muslims have way to Allah through prophet Muhammed.

How? Muhammed is just a man… Jesus is God…

People will unite with Mercy, Grace, Love of Allah in Heavens. Inshaallah!

A person doesn’t have to be a Muslim to be merciful and have grace, everyone is capable of being Good and that is what Christianity teaches as well, but not all have faith in Jesus Christ… They need faith in Jesus to bring them to heaven who is the gate in heaven… John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture… This is something that Mohammed can’t do because Mohammed isn’t God…It is then my hope that you might see how our religions are similar according to peoples personal beliefbut have been changed since Jesus walked on earth. How do you know that Mohammeds beliefs are right on? Mohammed was just one man, sure he probably taught goodness, but there is many who believe in Mohammed who teach killing in the name of Allah is the thing to do which is why there needs to be education on your faith about your true beliefs…ISIS is killing many in the name of Allah (because they believe submitting to Allah means they must kill everyone else) and it’s a problem for Muslims and Christians… They must be stopped and taught the good way to be… God never changes but people change and unless there is a keeper of the truth, which is the Church, the truth that people believe is subject to change. That’s why there is so many new and ever evolving Christian beliefs outside of the Church and a problem in the Muslim religion, there is no established teacher of your faith and it’s getting bad for everyone with so much innocent killing by these Islamic terrorists…

 

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A question:

If someone look at Bible without any prejudices and orientations then which conlusion will he arrive at? Which thought(being Son of Father(God, Lord) or prophet of God) will be dominant?
And we must assume the Father as Lord because that word(Father) is used for that. Perhaps in original text Father was Lord.

I have to take the Bible in full context I would try to discern what the most important point the Bible was conveying. I wouldn’t arrive to the most important point by considering the number of times that Jesus was called a prophet, but that Jesus proved by His words and works that He was God, the Son of God (member of the Trinity) Of course Jesus was a Prophet of prophets because He and the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth were one. Every thing He said proceeded from the Holy Spirit, read John 22, when Jesus resurrected and appeared to the Apostles when He breathed on them and said “Receive the Holy Spirit” and again when He stated " That anyone who talks against the son of man,(referring to himself in order to show He was human as well as God) can be forgiven, but he who speaks against the Holy Spirit can not be forgiven"
How is it possible to sin against the Holy Spirit by speaking against Jesus if Jesus and the Holy Spirit were not united (as members of the Trinity)?

I understand that the Qur"an speaks of the Bible in high terms but Muslims do not read the Bible. Muslims suspect the correctness of the present state of the Books of the Bible and therefore limit themselves to the Qur"an, they do not read our Scriptures. They only know the Bible through the Qur’an. I ask, who is being prejudiced and orientated?

 

[hasantas]

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What do prophets do? They receive revelations from God. Jesus did not just speak revelations from God, Jesus IS the Word of God…The messenger part of God who teaches us about the Father because He is ONE with the Father… In this next passage Jesus is called "The Word of God’ because that’s what He is… The Word which became Flesh…So Jesus is MORE than a Prophet, He is God…This is Christian belief since the beginning of the Church in 33 AD, before Islam religion took away from the truth… First announced by Thomas who called Jesus "My Lord and My God…Now this happened after Jesus died and was resurrected from the grave yet Thomas was able to touch the wounds of His crucifixion… A person who was mere man couldn’t do that, only God could live after dying like that which is why Thomas knew Jesus as God. John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,** “My Lord and my God!”**
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” .

The Word Became Flesh
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

I am pleased with you to see that you have a strong faith. I think my faith get stronger with arguments on forums. Because I can see others faith as like mine. Although there may be some differences. But the roots are same. It should be advantages for all on going debate.

Jesus was word of God because Jesus informed word of God. The word was(from) God. Jesus was not more than a prophet. Can you show any attributes of God on Jesus except miracles? Many perophets performed miracles.

Jesus was not die on cross. Disciples thought that Jesus was died but He was not and arised some days later after crucifixion(another man was crucifixed). Thomas did not convince that Jesus was alive so Jesus performed miracle.

The life can take it’s real meanning with revelation. So the life(of Jesus) was the light of all mankind( upon that times and after).

 

[hasantas]

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When prophets do miracles it is by Gods hand, but Jesus as God didn’t need to ask God for miracles, He just did them! Moses for example was told to go and do Gods miracles, No one had to instruct Jesus on healing, and removing demons, and turning water into wine, the miracle of the fish, etc. Jesus did all these miracles so that people would believe He was God so that they would be brought to heaven through our belief in Him and when He was dying and they asked Him if he was King Messiah, He did not deny it… He never denied He was God but rather proved to people that He was God in order that they might have faith…

When a prophet perform a miracle he does not say that “wait I will ask from God then I will do that”. Prophet Muhammed performed for about 1000 miracles. Stone spoke, meal increment, water came out from fingers of Muhammed, patients got heal, trees came close Muhammed with order, etc. Muhammed did very wonderful miracles but nobody claimed Muhammed to be God.

Jesus had never sait that I am God. Even nobody can bring a verse from Gospels. Jesus want from people to believe that He was sent by God as a messenger and a prophet but nothing else. People witnessed that Jesus was prophet.

Look at what God says in Genesis which should be in your Qu’ran because the OT are both part of the our sacred scripture. God uses the word ‘us’ and ‘our’ because He was referring to the other persons of God… The Son and the Holy Spirit…

There are plural statements in Quran too. Sometimes God do not say “I” but say “we”. Here some examples:

1. Nor can a soul die except by Allah’s leave, the term being fixed as by writing. If any do desire a reward in this life, We shall give it to him; and if any do desire a reward in the Hereafter, We shall give it to him. And swiftly shall We reward those that (serve us with) gratitude. (Sura Al-Imran)
2. We have indeed created man in the best of moulds, (Sura At-Tin)
3. We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us. (Sura Qaf)

In verses like above God do not mean that there are more than one God because God frequently mention that God is unique. Islamic scholars state that verses in some way:

a) God use “I” for His High Holy personality and use “we” for His attributes.
b) God use “we” to witness angels for His actions.
c) God use “we” for majesty of Himself. Many people use “we” instead of “I” for esteem and respect.
d) If there are intermediary through action of God then God use “we”". Forexample revelation is being sent by Gabriel(angel). So God use we:
9. We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (Al-Hijr)

So in previous scriptures there might be some plurality statements for God but that actually do not meant that there are plural gods.

That goes with all the other scriptures I’ve shown you that Jesus was with God since the beginning…In Revelation Jesus identifies himself as ” I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” (Revelation 22:13) and here:Luke 10:22
“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” The Son reveals the Father to us… They do not know the Father in Islam because they do not follow the Son… So they think the Father is wrathful instead of loving and merciful… That’s why there are so many Islam who kill for Allah.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation,22:18-19

God will do Not Jesus. jesus did not say I but God.

1. He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Hidden: and He has full knowledge of all things. Al-Hadid:3

Jesus talk about attributes of God. think in that way: Jesus said "He is Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End… But writer of Gospel wrote in that way: Jesus sait I am the Alpha …

There are always killing. Islam ban to harm/kill innocent. Killing is allowed in war but nobody must kill if the enmy is submitted. Someone especially struggle to show Islam in a wrongful way which is exactly opposite to Islam. Islam is a peaceful religion. Once Christians killed thousands in the name of Father and that number is more. So is Christianity barbarity? You assume that all Muslims take a dagger and cut people! Ofcourse there are wrong cases but these are not general. And that happens in unnormal conditions. And who do that indeed is not Muslim or do not understand Islam. You cannot discredit all Muslims with some exceptions. The Muslims/people who do that atrocities are not true Muslims and these are very few. If you ask them they will say only we are on the true way. Even these people allowed to kill Muslims who do not think like them. That causes because of they do not understand Quran exactly. There are some verses about killing for some exception cases. Forexample for when enemy strike or kill Muslims God allow Muslims to pay out enemy for self-defense. But some aplly that verse for all cases and that cause many persecutions. But again these cases are not usual.

 

[Karen107]

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I am pleased with you to see that you have a strong faith. I think my faith get stronger with arguments on forums. Because I can see others faith as like mine. Although there may be some differences. But the roots are same. It should be advantages for all on going debate.

Jesus was word of God because Jesus informed word of God. The word was(from) God. Jesus was not more than a prophet. Can you show any attributes of God on Jesus except miracles? Many perophets performed miracles.

Prophets themselves dont perform miracles, God works miracles through mens hands, Jesus walked on water, Jesus turned water into wine, Jesus fed thousands with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish, Jesus healed a blind man, Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead… on and on… Those were Jesus doing them because Jesus is God, no need to ask God for miracles and no one but God could live through His crucifixion, being nailed to the cross, stabbed in the side and drained of all blood till water poured out and still met the disciples afterwards to show them His wounds.Jesus did indeed die a horrible death at the hands of the Roman guards and then rose back to life and met the apostles afterwards… If you read the bible you would know that… A prophet couldn’t do that. But Jesus because He was God opened the heavens to us so we could go there. Jesus is our trailblazer!! Do you know what it means to be a trailblazer? . Jesus even states many times I’m am the Resurrection and the Life, I am the living water, I am the way and the truth and the life, I am the bread of life… We learned that God is called I am in the OT.I’ve shown you may reasons why Jesus is God but the trouble is you don’t believe…If you were Thomas and touched his wounds you would believe as Thomas did… But unfortunately you did not live then… .

Jesus was not die on cross. Disciples thought that Jesus was died but He was not and arised some days later after crucifixion(another man was crucifixed). Thomas did not convince that Jesus was alive so Jesus performed miracle.

The life can take it’s real meanning with revelation. So the life(of Jesus) was the light of all mankind( upon that times and after).

Yes Jesus is the light… When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” And those who follow Jesus receive that light into their soul and will live forever in heaven… Jesus is God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, one in being or consubstantial (of the same spirit) with the Father… The Father is Spirit and so is Jesus so they can coexist because they both are spirit…And we are brought into that same spirit of God in this life and the next because of the Holy Spirit unifying us all with God through Jesus.

 

[Karen107]

Trailblazer…: a person who marks or prepares a trail through a forest or field for other people to follow. Jesus was prophesized throughout the OT and when He was born in bethlehem he was the long waited Messiah King that the Isrealites were waiting for… Many believed Jesus and began to follow Him… Read Isaiah which is prophesy about Jesus and the coming of the New Isreal, which is the Church and the promised land that the Isrealites were promised is heaven… We live forever in heaven but we must follow Jesus in His ways and place our trust in Him to get there…

So thats’ what Jesus did for us with sacrificing His life… God had mercy on us and paid the price for our sins and opened heaven for us to follow in…

He taught us things like this:

Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

John 3: 10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e]** 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him**.”

 

[Karen107]

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There are always killing. Islam ban to harm/kill innocent. Killing is allowed in war but nobody must kill if the enmy is submitted. Someone especially struggle to show Islam in a wrongful way which is exactly opposite to Islam. Islam is a peaceful religion. Once Christians killed thousands in the name of Father and that number is more.

Actually that is not true, If you are talking about the Christian Crusades that was almost a thousand years ago and was started because the Turks, who were Muslim, took over the Holy Lands of Jerusalem and killed many Christians so the Christians rebelled… Now look at all the killings that the Muslims did, They flew into the the twin towers in New York and killed over 3000 people, the many Sudam Hussain killed that didn’t have the same religion as him, over 100,000 Kurdish, religion should not control people like that…Religion governs our hearts and shouldn’t be a reason for being killed… All the conflicts in the middle east and beyond many millions have died In Allah’s name and there has to be a stop to that by teaching Moslems that killing in the name of Allah is wrong… If Islam is a peaceful religion many are not showing it… Are you aware of ISIS??

So is Christianity barbarity?

Christians will defend when people are killed… Many Christians are being killed in middle eastern countries just because they are Christian. That is no reason to kill…

You assume that all Muslims take a dagger and cut people!

Yes many Muslims are doing just that and we are watching the beheadings on TV… That’s barbaric!!

Ofcourse there are wrong cases but these are not general.

It happens way way way too much!! There are many muslim terrorists who need to be taught that Islam is a religion of peace because they are not getting it…

And that happens in unnormal conditions.

How many people must die??

And who do that indeed is not Muslim or do not understand Islam. You cannot discredit all Muslims with some exceptions.

It is not some it’s many because your religion is misunderstood easily. People believe they must kill for Allah and no one else can believe anything but… That’s the slavery submittal belief they have…

The Muslims/people who do that atrocities are not true Muslims and these are very few.

You keep saying they are few but they are not few… they are many and we’re up in arms about the barbaric behavior of the terrorists who kill in the name of Allah…

If you ask them they will say only we are on the true way.

agree

Even these people allowed to kill Muslims who do not think like them.

They’re wrong… yes… so what do you do about them? You want to blame Christians for being upset about it?? Many many many Christians are being killed every day because they want to make Christianity extinct… That’s not love… that’s not what Allah wants them to do tell them…

That causes because of they do not understand Quran exactly. There are some verses about killing for some exception cases. Forexample for when enemy strike or kill Muslims God allow Muslims to pay out enemy for self-defense.

that’s the problem with your book there is no correct teaching… The Church is the teacher of Our bible who teaches love for God and love for one another…Jesus taught… In addition to the ten commandments… John 13:34
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

But some aplly that verse for all cases and that cause many persecutions. But again these cases are not usual.

Yes they are… there are too many radical extremist Muslims who are killing in the name of Allah… They are being led down the wrong path…

 

[ynotzap]

I often think why does God allow these things to happen, wars, killings, injustices etc.
What I see is that some of these things are due to conflict of beliefs, or at least these differences enter the picture. I wonder if it was the purpose of God to bring about the understanding of the truth After all, it is understood by some, that God wouldn’t allow evil if He could not draw good from it. As I see it, Islam is a mixture of truth and error, founded by a man who is called a “prophet of Allah” Yet some of the truths of the Bible are incorporated in Islam, and some rejected. Evil is endemic, it is in our nature and we believe this is due to the fallen state of man. Scandal is inevitable in all of man’s actions, and some error in his beliefs. It is said that “where ever evil abounds, grace abounds more” It would be interesting to see ahead how these situation are resolved. To see grace in action is a sight to behold. I can imagine the total defeat of Satan in his war against God’s children, I believe this is what Paul meant when he said “…that creation is waiting for the revelation of God’s children” (just a thought)

 

[hasantas]

I often think why does God allow these things to happen, wars, killings, injustices etc. …
“…that creation is waiting for the revelation of God’s children” (just a thought)

1. Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: “I will create a vicegerent on earth.” They said: “Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?” He said: “I know what ye know not.” Al-Baqarah:30

I think God craete human with both capability of good and evil. God want to see the which of it human will choose.

 

[Karen107]

Hello and Good morning!

Regarding good and evil. Yes we’re capable of both but there is a way to combat evil and sin. As humans we’re not supposed to turn a blinds eye to the evil, the poor, the dying in the world. That would be a sin in itself…Jesus started a mission on earth that we need to continue on with to serve those needing help and it is up to us to continue on that mission. So if there are injustices we’re supposed to do our best to stop them. God hears the cries of the poor and so should we. Heaven awaits those who walk in His ways. The seven deadly sins are found in the bible they are:

Pride is excessive belief in one’s own abilities, that interferes with the individual’s recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

Envy is the desire for others’ traits, status, abilities, or situation.

Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.

Here’s a page which sums up the 7 deadly sins and the 7 virtues of Holiness and how to combat each sin.

web.cn.edu/kwheeler/documents/Seven_Deadly_Sins.pdf

We need to be the change we want to see in the world…If people of different faiths can come together in a consensus it would be much better for all.