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Walshfish
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Jesus said to love your enemies. Does this mean that I must pray for the repose of the soul of Osama bin Ladin? I find this to be extraordinarily difficult but if I must do it to achieve everlasting life, I will.
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hxcCatholic413
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this link should help you: theresurgence.com/2011/05/02/love-your-enemies
It is in regards to Osama Bin Laden’s death…very eye-opening. God Bless!
It is in regards to Osama Bin Laden’s death…very eye-opening. God Bless!
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Monte_RCMS
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Dear Lord,
Please convert our enemies and bring them to You.
[In the meanwhile, don’t let them take my car keys.]
Please convert our enemies and bring them to You.
[In the meanwhile, don’t let them take my car keys.]
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Lost_Sheep
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I don’t care what the Church says, but some people have no right to live. People like Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin-Laden to name but three of recent history’s most infamous figures.
For all the atrocities these men committed against mankind they deserved to die. Period, and no further discussion on the matter.
No one can reasonably argue that the world is not a better place without them. Some might argue that it is God’s job and not ours to decide the fate of these kinds of people, but as we all know, He is not always forthcoming in his actions. Somebody has to do something or more innocent lives will be lost because of the actions of people like this.
I have no problem with the idea of these men being put to death. Others will come after them and I’ll personally volunteer to kill them if they deserve it.
For all the atrocities these men committed against mankind they deserved to die. Period, and no further discussion on the matter.
No one can reasonably argue that the world is not a better place without them. Some might argue that it is God’s job and not ours to decide the fate of these kinds of people, but as we all know, He is not always forthcoming in his actions. Somebody has to do something or more innocent lives will be lost because of the actions of people like this.
I have no problem with the idea of these men being put to death. Others will come after them and I’ll personally volunteer to kill them if they deserve it.
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mdrummer5
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One of God’s many gifts to us is life, to suggest that someone doesn’t deserve that is to suggest that God made a mistake. I understand your frustration but you seem to be blatantly questioning God’s judgment. That’s a path that can subtlely lead to disbelief. It’s not a matter of arguing it’s a matter of stating a fact. It IS God’s place to judge them, not yours. If you’re upset that “He is not always forthcoming in his actions” perhaps you should pray and reflect on it instead of suggesting that we as mere humans do something to make up for what you seem to perceive as God’s lack of action. In fact I might suggest going through the OT and reading the book of Job.
I agree that what these men have done is horrible. But as the old saying goes violence begets violence.
On a lighter note…
This is one of the funniest things I’ve read today lol.
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Lost_Sheep
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Just a suggestion.
I am.
Then why does He not act in a more timely manner?
Job was a wuss.
Beg to differ. If you believe violence just begets more violence, then you aren’t using enough violence in the first place. If someone is committing violence against you and you commit violence back, yes it will go on forever. But if you kill him, there is no more violence.
Or think of Harry Truman. When he gave the orders to drop the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he arguably committed the two most violent acts in the history of the world. But then the greatest war mankind has ever known was over in 5 days, wasn’t it?
Violence works.
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mdrummer5
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So you would defy God’s law to kill one man who will undoubtedly be replaced by another who will do similar things?
Consider this… Let’s say America kills everyone who opposes us which is what your idea of more violence really amounts to, in fact let’s just say that Amerca drops an A bomb on every other country in the world, it would only be a matter of time before different groups in America would disagree on things causing some kind of war. In fact, since you seem to be familiar with history do you not recall the Civil War? It doesn’t matter what happens, war will never go away and more violence is certainly not the answer because there simply isn’t one.
Bin Laden did horrible things… but in his view he was justified. You feel you’d be justified in killing him… what’s the difference?
Consider this… Let’s say America kills everyone who opposes us which is what your idea of more violence really amounts to, in fact let’s just say that Amerca drops an A bomb on every other country in the world, it would only be a matter of time before different groups in America would disagree on things causing some kind of war. In fact, since you seem to be familiar with history do you not recall the Civil War? It doesn’t matter what happens, war will never go away and more violence is certainly not the answer because there simply isn’t one.
Bin Laden did horrible things… but in his view he was justified. You feel you’d be justified in killing him… what’s the difference?
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phoage
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I used to be in the Army. At that time I might have been assigned to this type mission. If I had I would have sot to kill w/o a second thought. (I did my thinking about killing before I went in so that if I decided I could not kill, I would not go into that MOS.)
Saying that and that he was our (USA) enemy; I said a rosary for him last night. He was a child of God and God loves him as he loves all of us (Yes, Hiltler, Stalin, Mao, Hussain, pick your villian). He also had a mother, wife, children, etc who loved him.
May he rest in peace. God will judge him, not I. For that I thank God.
Patrick
Saying that and that he was our (USA) enemy; I said a rosary for him last night. He was a child of God and God loves him as he loves all of us (Yes, Hiltler, Stalin, Mao, Hussain, pick your villian). He also had a mother, wife, children, etc who loved him.
May he rest in peace. God will judge him, not I. For that I thank God.
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Beth_Cecilia
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In short, yes. But that does not mean that you cannot celebrate the military victory for what it is- a military victory. God bless the men and women who face death every day so that we can live our lives in relative freedom.
Stop short of reveling in the death of the man. It would have been better if, say, he had repented. It might have been better if he could have been captured and we could have ensured that he could not command any more power. We can imagine better things, perhaps. But what happened was not immoral and it is reason to celebrate.
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hxcCatholic413
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How can you expect God’s love to flow through your heart when there is no room for him to work because of all the anger and hate that is already there?
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Lost_Sheep
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pira114
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Lost Sheep,
I’d like to buy you a beer. You and I see eye to eye on this. Maybe they’ll let us be roomies in purgatory.
As for everyone saying we have to love and pray for our enemies, well, it just aint gonna work all the time. You can turn the other cheek if you like, but all that means is you won’t see the evil person attack you. You think the evil people in this world care one bit that you prayed for them? You’re a victim waiting to happen. I’ve never seen anything in the Bible that says I have to be a victim. I work with evil everyday. It’s what I do. And if they had it their way, I’d be dead and they’d be after your valuables.
Yes, God gave them life. Then free will. They fouled it up after that. Not God, and not me.
Some people just need killin.
I’d like to buy you a beer. You and I see eye to eye on this. Maybe they’ll let us be roomies in purgatory.
As for everyone saying we have to love and pray for our enemies, well, it just aint gonna work all the time. You can turn the other cheek if you like, but all that means is you won’t see the evil person attack you. You think the evil people in this world care one bit that you prayed for them? You’re a victim waiting to happen. I’ve never seen anything in the Bible that says I have to be a victim. I work with evil everyday. It’s what I do. And if they had it their way, I’d be dead and they’d be after your valuables.
Yes, God gave them life. Then free will. They fouled it up after that. Not God, and not me.
Some people just need killin.
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benidict
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No, you do not. how bout a little common sense. Do you pray for the repose of Ted Bundy’s soul? Jeffery Dhalmer? Any number of killers? Why the Guilt over a Mass Murderer! I am not aiming this at you personally so please dont take it as such. I am sick of the lack of common sense among the bretheren. And the FEAR that if we dont Show chairity to one of the most vile pieces of garbage to ever walk the earth, that God some how faults us! Thank God Osama is Dead. Thank God our wonderful Seals shot him thru the head! I will pray for the woman he held as a human shield, and I will pray for the soldier that was forced to make the decision that cost a non combatants life. I will not pray for Osama Bin Ladin. He Is In Hell! Its time that Catholics acknowledge that some people are truly evil. It is time to accept the bible teaching that some would have been better off having a millstone put around their neck and tossed in the deepest ocean…Hmmmm. He was buried at sea correct? No country would allow him to be buried on their soil.
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benidict
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benidict
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God is also a God of Justice. Plz dont leave that out. I seem to remember him drowning pharoe and the egyptians that terrorized the Children of Israel. I seem to remember him having the cannanites destroyed because they were quite possibly infected with terrible diseases. Mercy to Bin Ladin, is Cruelty to his victims. Think on this. Oh, And like my sergeant says. Violence solves everything. At least in MY line of work. If it were not for violence you would be speaking Japanese, German, or Arabic right now. Very few stand between you and this outcome. If you wish to aid and abet the enemies of the free world with your prayers, feel free. And your welcome. I will pray for my commander in chief, all the innocent civilians affected by this conflict and my fellow soldiers and leadership. I wont waste my breath on a tyrant. Unless said tyrant is in my cross hairs.
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benidict
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I like you!
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mdrummer5
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Interesting that you bring up “turn the other cheek”. You know that was one of Christ’s teachings right (Matthew 5:39)?
Those of you that are celebrating Bin Laden’s death… I’m not suggesting that the killing itself wasn’t justified… from what I understand he was given an opportunity to surrender peacefully and chose not to and was consequently killed. Makes perfect sense to me. Our soldiers do what they have to do to. I respect, appreciate and see nothing wrong with that. However, most of you sound as if you’d be fine with the idea of him surrendering and us shooting him in the head anyway, that is not God’s way. Jesus showed mercy to all men… we are to follow his teachings not our own, or is this no longer a forum of Catholics?
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David_Anello
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Doing just capital punishment is still not a reasoned to celebrate. I thinking that Moses or Noah did not have a calibration when god did his punishment on the people. We follow the law of our land then it is Jesus that will do the judgments. We pray that that they reconciled with our lord prior to their death.
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Lost_Sheep
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If I was still a drinking man, I’d take you up on it.
And here’s another thought. If you or I kill an evil man, what’s to say it is not God’s will and He is acting through us?
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Robert_Sock
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For many, forgiveness is a difficult virtue to master. When we learn the power and wisdom of forgiveness, we are bound to have reached an advanced level of spiritual maturity. Regardless the nature of any possible abuse that we may have endured, nor the severity of that abuse, full recovery from abuse cannot be achieved until we truly forgive our abuser(s). Any anger or resentment we hold within us, live and thrive within us, and become a part of our very self. We will never rid ourselves of this anger and resentment until we experience true forgiveness towards all. Seeing our tormentors suffer a thousand times over will only add to our own misery.
On the other hand, to endure unnecessary torment and misery is never righteous, but a perversion. Also, the righteousness of forgiveness should never involve our condoning abuse or any other forms of evil.
True forgiveness requires our valuing peace and love above all else. Experiencing forgiveness towards those who have wronged us resembles perfect love more so than perhaps any other human experience. Forgiveness involves recognizing and valuing the potential for love that exists within every human soul, including our own soul. Sins cannot be completely forgiven until we forgive, and find an inner peace with, everyone who has ever wronged us; for every ounce of anger and resentment that we hold against any other(s), there will surely exist an ounce of sin held against us – for harboring anger and resentment within our self is sin.
The Golden Rule states, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you!” Our forgiving everyone, especially those we consider our enemies or adversaries, is to demonstrate to God that we are worthy of His forgiveness. Likewise, to find love for all our enemies and adversaries is to demonstrate to God that we have suffered long enough with our hatred, and we are ready to receive His love.
Again, to experience the true power and wisdom contained within the virtue of forgiveness is to develop great spiritual growth!
On the other hand, to endure unnecessary torment and misery is never righteous, but a perversion. Also, the righteousness of forgiveness should never involve our condoning abuse or any other forms of evil.
True forgiveness requires our valuing peace and love above all else. Experiencing forgiveness towards those who have wronged us resembles perfect love more so than perhaps any other human experience. Forgiveness involves recognizing and valuing the potential for love that exists within every human soul, including our own soul. Sins cannot be completely forgiven until we forgive, and find an inner peace with, everyone who has ever wronged us; for every ounce of anger and resentment that we hold against any other(s), there will surely exist an ounce of sin held against us – for harboring anger and resentment within our self is sin.
The Golden Rule states, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you!” Our forgiving everyone, especially those we consider our enemies or adversaries, is to demonstrate to God that we are worthy of His forgiveness. Likewise, to find love for all our enemies and adversaries is to demonstrate to God that we have suffered long enough with our hatred, and we are ready to receive His love.
Again, to experience the true power and wisdom contained within the virtue of forgiveness is to develop great spiritual growth!
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