loved one in hell

[truetofaith]

I’m not sure you really understand my point here. Or else I don’t understand how yours relates to mine. I’ll restate mine a bit to make it clearer.

Image that my wife and I are both Catholics and I love my wife very much.

Now, let’s say that she, with full knowledge of Catholic teachings, decides to do something that is both gravely sinful and illegal. She is caught, convicted and goes to prison for life and I am left home alone. During her life she does not repent and when we both die she goes to Hell and I go to Heaven.

When I am at home and my wife is in prison, I miss her. It tears me up that we are separated. Although I know she has done something wrong and I understand why she is in prison, it pains me to see her in this situation. My life is in shambles and I am an emotional wreck because I care about my wife and her well being. I’m an empathic person.

Now, according to some on this forum, when I am in Heaven and she is tormented in Hell, I either won’t think of my wife or her torment won’t bother me at all. So in Heaven, according to some, I won’t have the same feelings of empathy anymore. I’m a Catholic so I understand why she is in Hell. But I won’t care about her feelings or her pain. I won’t mind that her suffering is endless. I know longer have empathy.

This is what I mean when I say that, in Heaven, I am an unfeeling husk of my former self. My empathy was something that was a major part of me. It was who I was. I am someone else now because I don’t care.

Why can’t you just trust in God’s judgment about what we will feel in heaven. Jesus said, “in my Father’s house, there are many mansions.” All good!

If we are not totally happy in heaven …how can it be heaven?

Trust in the Lord and don’t worry about things He hasn’t told us.

 

[Sparkythedog]

Why can’t you just trust in God’s judgment about what we will feel in heaven. Jesus said, “in my Father’s house, there are many mansions.” All good!

If we are not totally happy in heaven …how can it be heaven?

Trust in the Lord and don’t worry about things He hasn’t told us.

Do you understand the conflict that arises in the scenario that I’ve described above?

 

[Sparkythedog]

Okay, I understand what you’re saying.

In your example,

your wife dies not being sorry for what she did. That’s a choice she makes and if one dies in that state, that disposition is fixed. They carry that unforgiveness on into eternity. That’s why the only unforgivable sin is not being sorry.

To your point, you don’t want a person’s unrepentance at death to go against them for eternity.

I would just say, your argument is with the one who made the rules.

Just thinking outloud, I think all our problems we have today in the world can be laid at the feet of people having no fear of God, or hell.

And I freely admit, that kind of disposition in people, makes no sense to me. Especially since divine revelation gives clear warnings and consequences for NOT fearing God or hell.

The one who will judge EVERYONE tells the following story Luke 16:19-31

I’m curious about your feelings. Let’s say that it’s your wife in my little scenario. Would you feel sorrow if you were in heaven and she was in Hell?

 

[Mummsie]

Now, let’s say that she, with full knowledge of Catholic teachings, decides to do something that is both gravely sinful and illegal. She is caught, convicted and goes to prison for life and I am left home alone. During her life she does not repent and when we both die she goes to Hell and I go to Heaven.

When I am at home and my wife is in prison, I miss her. It tears me up that we are separated. Although I know she has done something wrong and I understand why she is in prison, it pains me to see her in this situation. My life is in shambles and I am an emotional wreck because I care about my wife and her well being. I’m an empathic person.

Sparky, my first question to you is “What makes you think you would be going to Heaven?” You have wasted your life as an emotional wreck. It sounds like you have placed your “feelings of empathy” for your wife in front of your love of God. Remember His first commandment…You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind.

Second question, “Still think you would be going to heaven?”

God Bless You

 

[Sparkythedog]

Sparky, my first question to you is “What makes you think you would be going to Heaven?” You have wasted your life as an emotional wreck. It sounds like you have placed your “feelings of empathy” for your wife in front of your love of God. Remember His first commandment…You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind.

Second question, “Still think you would be going to heaven?”

God Bless You

Your second question is a lot like your first.

Are you talking about this made up scenario or my real life?

In regards to my scenario with my wife, I don’t think you understand why I wrote what I wrote (which bugs me a lot considering I spent some time trying to make it as easy to understand as possible). Maybe, reread it and take some time to mull it over.

With regards to my real life, I will answer your two questions. I’m an atheist. I haven’t been presented with any evidence that the Catholic god, or any other god for that matter, exists. I also haven’t been presented with any evidence of an afterlife.

So to answer your first question: I don’t think I’ll be going to Heaven or Hell. I’ll be dead, my body will probably be burned or buried and my consciousness will have ceased. I imagine it will be like how it was before I was born. Not painful or scary, just nothing.

To answer your second question: Didn’t think I was going before…so…no.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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