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strange_guy
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What if a person be saved but then knows his loved ones are going or have gone to hell? Can she be trully happy in this situation?
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Jerbear
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I must admit that I’ve wondered about this multiple times and I have no clue how to answer it. If there are people in hell then there are obviously some people there who were someones loved one, but I the way I look at it is that heaven must be absolutely unbelievably amazing in order for you to be truly happy.
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Ash_Wednesday
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Hell is a freely chosen condition. I think in heaven, there is a different level of understanding of things in eternity that we just don’t have here, like whether or not they chose hell and why.
What’s more I think there’s a vast sea of saved brothers and sisters in the communion of saints waiting for us, and we will have perfect love with them as well as whatever family members are there.
In the meantime we ALWAYS pray for the dead and don’t assume where they are either way.
What’s more I think there’s a vast sea of saved brothers and sisters in the communion of saints waiting for us, and we will have perfect love with them as well as whatever family members are there.
In the meantime we ALWAYS pray for the dead and don’t assume where they are either way.
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agnes_therese
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You can’t know that your loved ones are going or have gone to hell. You can worry that they are, you can strongly suspect that they are, but you can’t know it.
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Catholic1954
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No one loves your loved ones more than God himself and there is no greater happiness than to live forever in His presence.
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MarianCatholic
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It may seem wired to some, but I see your point and Agree 100 per cent with it.
I think it will be quite different from how we see things now, if someone are in hell its because they chose to ignore or/ and work against God on earth.
And even though we love them like crazy in this life, in heaven we will truly love God above all and we will be filled with joy because we’re finally back home where we’re supposed to be and anyone sentenced to hell are where they are because they sided with Satan instead of God.
And when we live in the glorious presence of God we can’t love anyone who do not share our love for God.
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RPRPsych
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I don’t think we’ll have a good answer to this question, until we experience it at first hand.
But look at it this way: Jesus loved Judas, and chose him as one of the Apostles. Judas betrayed him, and is presumably (John 17: 12) in Hell. All the other Apostles have been canonized. Are they unhappy because Judas is in Hell? I don’t think so.
Therefore, something interesting is going on here.
Perhaps (most likely) the happiness of the Beatific Vision surpasses every form of human love and affection, and overwhelms them.
Perhaps (my speculation) on the “other side”, we are given a revelation of God’s perfect justice as it relates to those in Hell, and we finally understand how it all works.
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Memaw
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That’s what the Final Judgment is all about. We will then understand what we don’t here on earth. What we CAN do now is pray and help our loved ones all we can to know and love Our Lord and HIS TRUTHS. God Bless, MemawI don’t think we’ll have a good answer to this question, until we experience it at first hand.
But look at it this way: Jesus loved Judas, and chose him as one of the Apostles. Judas betrayed him, and is presumably (John 17: 12) in Hell. All the other Apostles have been canonized. Are they unhappy because Judas is in Hell? I don’t think so.
Therefore, something interesting is going on here.
Perhaps (most likely) the happiness of the Beatific Vision surpasses every form of human love and affection, and overwhelms them.
Perhaps (my speculation) on the “other side”, we are given a revelation of God’s perfect justice as it relates to those in Hell, and we finally understand how it all works.
po18guy
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We are living on this earth with fully human, earthly consciences, perceptions and knowledge. Once we are perfected, and conformed fully to the will of God, our thoughts and emotions will no longer be encumbered by the failures of ourselves and of this world. How can it be heaven if we are in a state of perpetual worry over those who are lost? Once we cross that threshold, everything changes.
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Pax2u
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While we’re on earth we have no way of knowing if anyone is in hell. I would always continue to pray for them, hoping they are in purgatory and then heaven!
Perhaps when we are in heaven our ability to love is purified to be more like Jesus…so we have the same love for everyone, relative, friend or stranger. God must have made some kind of provision to keep people from being sad over those who are in hell. I have no idea what that would be, though! One of the things we have to wait and see, I guess. I do trust that God will make it right, in His wisdom and love.
Perhaps when we are in heaven our ability to love is purified to be more like Jesus…so we have the same love for everyone, relative, friend or stranger. God must have made some kind of provision to keep people from being sad over those who are in hell. I have no idea what that would be, though! One of the things we have to wait and see, I guess. I do trust that God will make it right, in His wisdom and love.
po18guy
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Fr. Robert Barron states that we can “reasonably hope” that all will eventually end up in heaven, as we simply do not and cannot know the state of their heart at their last breath. Saint Paul writes that we are saved by our hope, and, as Christians, we are called to be filled with the theological virtue of hope. For this reason, we pray for the dead.
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Deo_Gratias42
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Yes because the one who is saved has a perfect understanding of God’s Justice and will rejoice in God’s Justice towards the damned.
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Deo_Gratias42
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This is a heresy that was condemned by the Church a long loooong time ago. Origen stated that Hell was only temporary, and that all would eventually end up in Heaven. Origen remained obstinate in this heresy and was excommunicated. It is Catholic Dogma that Hell is for eternity. I really think that Fr. Barron should publicly recant this error and correct himself.
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SoulSolace
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Father Barron isn’t suggesting people will eventually get out of even hell - simply that we can have a reasonable hope that many people will eventually end up in Heaven *through purgation *perhaps?
God bless.
po18guy
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You misunderstand.
po18guy
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Should you not further investigate before passing judgment? Understand that I would not recommend this if I had not been shamed into doing it myself on numerous occasions.
Precisely. Fr. Barron is speaking only of our virtue of hope - independent of what actually occurs to the souls of the dead. If we do not - cannot - hope for souls to be in heaven, do we really believe in God’s unlimited mercy? Our motivation to prayer dies when our hope dies. I notice also that no one but the individual soul and God know that state of that soul at the point of death. I recall also that the mercy with which we measure will be measured back to us. By judging, who am I condemning but myself?
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GoldenLight
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Why don’t you pray for the loved one you ‘assume’ are going to or have gone to hell…
Remember after each decade of The Rosary to say the Fatima Prayer…
Oh my Jesus
forgive us our sins,
save us from the fires of hell,
and lead all souls to Heaven,
especially those most in need of your Mercy.
Amen
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Mary_Ellen
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No one can KNOW anyone is going or has gone to Hell. This is the type of judgment we are to avoid - passing judgment on someone’s actions is well and good but the passing of judgment on someone’s eternal soul is the prerogative of God alone. I assume everyone, except those recognized as saints by the church, has gone to Purgatory and so I pray for their souls.
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Memaw
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I think he meant sorta like the “thief on the cross”, repent before death. That’s why we can never judge anyone. God Bless. Memaw
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