Loving homosexuals, transgenders means telling them the dangers of LGBT behavior

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There are some pretty big flaws with this article.

It starts off, for example, with the ridiculous claim that people in same-sex relationships have an average life expectancy 24 years less than people in straight relationships at 51 years. If this were true, you’d think that I should be really worried considering that I’m a gay man and I’m almost 60. But the article has a link to another Lifesite article published in 2007 (already 12 years old) which quotes from information published by Paul Cameron who used data collected between 1990 and 2002. Anyone who knows anything about gay history would realize that that means the information was collected in the middle of the AIDS epidemic, much of it before there was any effective treatment for it. A lot of gay men were dying then which undoubtedly drove down their life expectancy. But that is not the case anymore since HIV is now a very treatable disease and people who are HIV+ can expect to live a normal life span if they are receiving medical care. I know people who are HIV+ who are in their 70s and 80s.

The article then says that gay people are more prone to mental illness. It links to an article that says the following:
The researchers say, “There are a number of reasons why gay people may be more likely to report psychological difficulties, which include difficulties growing up in a world orientated to heterosexual norms and values and the negative influence of social stigma against homosexuality.
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So, that doesn’t mean that gay people are necessarily more prone to mental illness because they’re gay, but because they face stigma and discrimination for being gay.
 
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Well Jesus tells us the same…

Neither do I condemn you (compassion), go and sin no more (conversion). John 8:11

Compassion for this life, conversion for the next. Both are pastoral and done out of love.

The key mission given to the Catholic Church by Christ is the salvation of souls. The identification and condemnation of sin is necessary in carrying out that mission.
 
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Moreover Paul Cameron is a quack.
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Thanks for pointing that out. I’ve seen his name quite frequently over the years in articles like this Lifesite article. They love to quote his statistics. According to Wikipedia, he was expelled from the American Psychological Association in 1983 because he wouldn’t cooperate with an ethics investigation. He’s been accused by the American Sociological Association and the Canadian Psychological Association of misrepresenting sociological research.
 
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I take it you’re referring to “admonish the sinner.” In that case, do this; but is the admonishment toward the same person or group supposed to be on a continual basis?
 
Instruct and counsel also…the salvation of souls is the mission…whatever it takes.
 
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Instruct and counsel also…the salvation of souls is the mission…whatever it takes.
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The Catechism and the clergy do that. As no layperson is in authority over another layperson, except for our minor children, our job as laity is to love unconditionally, not condemn.
 
It would be nice if everybody would quit telling everybody else the right way to love one another.

I personally thought the Pride cards the bishop in Lexington handed out were a loving gesture. But I am not telling everybody on this forum (most of whom were aghast at the idea) to go hand out Pride cards.
It would be good if fellow Catholics also respect my position that I am not going to go around lecturing my friends and loved ones who happen to be LGBTQ on morals. Most if not all of them are already dealing with a lot in life without me adding to their pile. I also don’t lecture my straight friends on morals. Why don’t I do this? Because it’s unproductive.
 
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I personally thought the Pride cards the bishop in Lexington handed out were a loving gesture. But I am not telling everybody on this forum (most of whom were aghast at the idea) to go hand out Pride cards.
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I also support the Pride cards 100% and commented on them in that thread.
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It would be good if fellow Catholics also respect my position that I am not going to go around lecturing my friends and loved ones who happen to be LGBTQ on morals. Most if not all of them are already dealing with a lot in life without me adding to their pile. I also don’t lecture my straight friends on morals. Why don’t I do this? Because it’s unproductive.
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Right.

I don’t tell the LGBT person in my workplace that he’s a sinner and he’s going to hell. I’m sure he’s heard it before.

Just like I don’t tell the person who got divorced and married again that they’re going to hell.
 
You know what? That is not helpful at all. This is Catholic Answers and Catholics can give the Catholic answer. I’ve never picked on any LGBT person.
 
You’re assuming there is only ONE Catholic answer. Judging by the responses, that is not the case. Further, I have not accused you specifically of picking on anyone; I was talking in general. Finally, since when is Catholic Answers limited to Catholics’ viewpoints? It is not, and I made no pretense of giving “the Catholic answer” or preventing Catholics from disagreeing with my answer.
 
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No doubt t for the majority of that community that would be their preference too.However the radical fringe and the ever complicit pandering Dems are foisting this issue upon the society as a whole to the extent that this is now being pushed as an alternative life style along with the other spin offs of this issue.Rhis indoctrination starting in kindergarten
 
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Yes, I agree that the indoctrination begins early. But at least it is an indoctrination based on love, not hatred; acceptance, not rejection; inclusion, not exclusion. I can think of worse kinds of indoctrination. I realize, however, that for you and many other Christians, this is regarded as a sinful lifestyle, and thus it is the worst kind of indoctrination. At the same time, however, we live in a pluralistic, multicultural society, in which sin is defined in different ways, or, as in certain cultures, does not form a part of their belief system at all. With regard to the fringe element, most Americans, including gay people, do not care for them. However, when you think about it, change is often due to the behaviors of fringe groups of people who are not afraid to disrupt the status quo even if it means being imprisoned or sacrificing their own lives. Christian martyrs were fringe groups; so were civil rights activists, both those who demonstrated peacefully and followed the Gandhian principle of non-violence and those who engaged in violence. We may not always like the tactics employed by these groups, but in the majority of instances, they got the job done and had a lasting impact on society and the world.
 
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My youngest daughter is in the hair industry.One of her good friends is a gay man in his mid fifties. He told my daughter that growing up it was always known within his family that he is gay. He doesn’t adopt the persona of what we have come to see as a gay man. He leads a quiet and private life and has stated he doesn’t appreciate the radical fringe and their pushy and oftentimes outrageous behavior.He feels they are doing more harm than good.
 
One might think they are hurting their own cause. But, as I stated in my previous post, in the long run, they may be helping more than hurting. Your daughter’s friend has every right to feel the way he does and to lead a quiet lifestyle apart from the radical fringe. No one has a right to fault him for that. However, if every gay person behaved that way, then many more gay people would still be leading a life of quiet desperation in the closet, in which they were afraid that someone might find them out, a family member, a friend, an employer, and disclose their painful secret. They would still have feelings of self-loathing, feelings of being abnormal, immoral, criminal. Some still do, but the change in attitudes among many in the straight world have served to alleviate the pain and suffering of many gay people, apart from enabling them to benefit from the rights and privileges of society that were not available to them before. These gay people do not want to go backwards, return to the closet, resume their self-hatred as well as the contempt that society held for them before the radical fringe fought against the mainstream by demanding their civil and human rights. Society needs the radical fringe at times. Without it, nothing in the world would ever change.
 
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