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[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

You maynot be aware of how health insurance works in the USA. If you DO have a job that provides health care, there are typically three payment tiers:

1. single person coverage.
2. single plus one coverage.
3. Full family coverage.

The full family coverage rate applies if you have two kids or twelve. So unless you were too poor to afford family health insurance at all, the med cost is no different (except deductibles). Unfortunately, we DO have a fair number of families who are either too poor to afford it or are self-employed and aren’t covered by an employer.

I’m an American. I moved to the UK in 2006. I was unable to purchase my own health insurance because I am uninsurable. I wasn’t able to find a job that offered health insurance, either. Only about 60% of jobs have the option of health insurance. And, I can tell you from experience that a lot of times, what is offered is next to useless. (As in, very high monthly premiums, very high co-pays, and a very low life-time cap.)

The US system is ridiculous and uncivilized.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by hopeful_in_UK
The birth rate has fallen since the introduction of socialized medicine.

The UK government has been more successful then the US government in ** population control**.

It certainly does help to pay for free abortions and hand out free condoms and free birth control in all your super market and main pharmacies.

Planned Parenthood would love to gain access to all the US pharmacies under the disguise of reducing teen pregnancies. - Sick!

 

[chewchoo]

It’s not relying on the government, either. It’s taking care of one another, like civilized people. We pay taxes and those taxes pay for things like the military, paved roads, emergency rescue, and health care. All hallmarks of a civilized nation.

grouping health care with military and infrastructure is not logical. you are responsible for yourself, first and foremost. health care falls under the same category as groceries and rent. its a personal responsibility. yes there are always those who are poor and need assistance, we do have food stamps and rent assistance. but to mandate universal health care, especially when it is run by the anti-life crowd, slowly destroys the society.

 

[buffalo]

Use the tax code to encourage large families and marriage instead of penalizing.

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

It certainly does help to pay for free abortions and hand out free condoms and free birth control in all your super market and main pharmacies.

Where does this happen?

Not in the UK. Abortions are also not available on the NHS.

Nationalized Health Care does have problems. It can be perverted just like everything else by perverted people. But, there is no reason to fear it. After all, privatized medicine also provides abortions.

We have a responsibility towards one another, particularly the most vulnerable, which includes children and the elderly. The American system is not a good one. It’s great health care when you can afford it, but too many Americans can not afford it.

 

[hasikelee]

That article quote sums it ALL up right there.

People have the right to put off marriage for however long they choose. They have the right to have children, or not have children. Period. They can be as selfish as they want to be, because Society can never, ever require or force people to get married or have children. Even at its near collapse. Civilizations come and go. The US has risen, and it just might fall one day and become a mediocre country.

Who in their honest and right mind says “ill have children to help Society”?

If a woman or man wants to get married at 35-40 after having established a nice career, well Society just has to deal with it. If they don’t want children, Society has to deal with that too. Marriage and children are an INDIVIDUALS choice, and Society has no say whatsoever in that choice.

You are attempting to push this as a religious topic. Yet, Russia has already attempted to prevent economic and societal extinction (if I may be so bold) by granting large sums of money to couples who have children.

This is a government and social issue. It is an issue of the human race maintaining a level and quality of life within separate countries and globally.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Hopeful_in_UK
Not in the UK. Abortions are also not available on the NHS.

Are you saying that if a person wants an abortion, it is not free under socialized medicine?

Are you aware that they are putting free condoms(designer) and free emergency contraception in their pharmacies in England?

In the US, people often pay for their own abortions, condoms and emergency contraception.

 

[sidonius]

You are attempting to push this as a religious topic. Yet, Russia has already attempted to prevent economic and societal extinction (if I may be so bold) by granting large sums of money to couples who have children.

This is a government and social issue. It is an issue of the human race maintaining a level and quality of life within separate countries and globally.

Sorry, it is a spiritual issue. Governments can offer all the incentives they want, and sometimes these incentives work in the short term. But if there is no hope (a spiritual virtue generally as well as a specific religious virtue) then there will be no children. And if there are children, there will be no loving families in which to raise them. As C. S. Lewis reminds us in The Final Battle, all things end, people, cultures, nations, worlds.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by sidonis
Sorry, it is a spiritual issue.

It is true that it is a spiritual issue and that is why all Christians are called to fight against giving more power to Planned Parenthood in the form of socialized medicine.Universal health care is being sold by the anti-life groups and many candidates for the Presidency espouse it because they believe the agenda.

 

[Al_Masetti]

This is an excellent original post.

The U.S. and certain state governments have prohibited or severely restricted individual efforts to get low-cost health insurance. HSA’s for example are restricted.

When individuals pay for their own medical insurance, they get non-preferential deductions on their income tax, if they itemize … and no preference at all if they take the standard deduction.

The insurance industry is more than happy to provide low-cost medical insurance, but it is the government that restricts it.

In addition, there seems to be a blackout on bad news about socialized medicine in Canada and Britain … things like “patient stacking” (refusal of hospitals to accept patients if they cannot be treated within four hours … so the patients are kept waiting for many hours outside in ambulances … 44,000 in 2007 alone.)

The lack of dentists … because people don’t want to be dentists under the conditions of socialized medicine.

The excessive delays for heart, cancer and diabetes patients.

All of these things help to screw up the economy and the birth rate.