Low birth rates

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But it was used before they had children and not after, right?
Right. They were barren.

For example, in Luke 1 the angel tells Mary, “And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who **was called **barren.”
 
Yes. Many have. It’s been steadily increasing since 9/11, and with the allowance of gay marriage and now the transgender bathroom laws, more and more Christian (and some Catholic) people have been encouraging “not bringing children into this world.” There have even been these comments here on CAF.

I’m obviously pregnant at the moment.** These good Christian people have no hesitation to let me know how sad they feel for any child being born these days and how the hope “Jesus comes back soon to save us.”**

There are more and more people never giving birth due to choice each year. So the people having kids may be having 2+, but fewer women are having any.

time.com/3774620/more-women-not-having-kids/

I won’t link to any of the many child free living links because most are horribly offensive, but anyone that wants can do do themselves.

I live reasonably close to Nashville where only 28% of households have children under age 18. People there aren’t afraid to tell you why they think no one should be giving birth. They don’t sugar coat their feelings in children in general either. And Nashvilke isn’t even in the top 10 of “child free” areas in the US.

gsmar.com/US/Neighborhood/TN/Nashville-Demographics.html

If your opinion is that it’s a misapplication, that’s fine. But I’m not the only person who believes that it fits.
  1. I suspect that older people continue to want grandchildren, even if they believe things are going to hell in a handbasket.
It is true that older people often seem to watch WAY too much cable news–so they imagine that every bad thing in the entire country is happening in their little Mayberry, too.
  1. I think you’re right about the split–some women having no children, some having more than 2. (ThePCWife has talked about this issue elsewhere.)
Bear in mind that a lot of the no-children women aren’t married. That’s something that jumped out at me from the Time piece. They say “Among women between 25 and 29, 49.6% were childless in 2014,” but I would note here that the median woman gets married at 27 these days, so a lot of those women are either not married or only very recently married.
 
Here’s another issue that may be driving down US birthrates–a lot of the one-kid mothers may be single parents.
 
A lot of the one kid mothers are single parents. It’s significantly less common for single mothers to have multiple children than it was during the peak phase for that a generation ago. Married mothers are having more children, at least in America, so American women worried about married people not doing so should be cheerful about that.
 
It’s a hard issue. I know many women who would love to have large families, but suffer from infertility and/or repeated miscarriages, or who are unable to find a spouse. I would love to have 5+ children, but we struggled for over a year to have our four month old, which was a very difficult and traumatic birth, and don’t know if we’ll be able to have more. And I don’t see how we could support more than 2 or 3 unless we moved to a different part of the country.
There is also the fact that some of us wanted a big family and hoped to have one but never met the right person and are not in a financial place to afford adoption.
 
I often think about this issue too. I really think the population decline is down to the policies of governments to discourage large families. I think many more women would want more children if society rewarded them for having little baby taxpayers. It’s mostly financial. The Catholic men and women who do have more than 2.5 kids are rewarded with comments such as “Oh boy, you’ve got your hands full”, “are they ALL yours?”, “Are you running your own creche?”, “You should have your tubes tied” etc. People can be really rude in this way.

It would make more sense for society to reward couples that have more children. But the current thinking is for the concern to be immediate economic “progress”. Therefore more women need to be in the workforce and less should be at home with kids. That seems to be the main problem.
Agreed. If only my mother received the SS paid in my her 12 children. All gainfully employed and over half paying in the maximum rate. If she were rewarded with more income and security for raising productive citizens as society had historically birth rates wouldn’t be an issue.
 
There is also the fact that some of us wanted a big family and hoped to have one but never met the right person and are not in a financial place to afford adoption.
We adopted two children without spending a dime on fees, thousands of children in foster care are waiting for parents.
 
Here’s another issue that may be driving down US birthrates–a lot of the one-kid mothers may be single parents.
Actually a bit different, single parent households tend to have nearly the same number of children as two parent households.
 
Actually a bit different, single parent households tend to have nearly the same number of children as two parent households.
Do you mean unwed single mothers or divorced single mothers?
 
My Dear brothers and sisters in Christ.
Luke 13:7

7 Then he said unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none; cut it down; why does it cumber the ground?

Just recently i read some articles about an alarming the alarming and never seemed (in peace times) phenomenon where young population is in decline. You can check the link below for some references.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3734804/The-world-grows-old-50-countries-including-Britain-Australia-65s-kids-2030-prompting-pensions-crisis.html

This never seen before phenomenon is especially worrying in countries like the US. I have the understanding the the fruits of a family are to produce children for God. Cth. 2201. But in my humble understanding i can see that in some degree that myself and the Christian society in general is missing an important part of God’s will.

And my beloved friends i can see already the consequences in a horrible trend and scares me a lot. You may see Muslims are currently the fastest growing religion, It is not unknown for us the high number of children that muslims women have in comparison than the average population , and i myself cannot see nothing bad with that. Except that should be us ! I realize that for a woman the idea of having more than 5 child is terrifying and for a man too , i am terrified of the idea!!. But i think it shouldn’t be that way. I cannot stop thinking that we are like that three that doesn’t give any fruits and was cut down. Sorry for this rant, I don’t want to point any specific responsibility to women or man. but i sincerely think that our Beloved Church should in a more active manner try to encourage to families to bring children.

I terrify me to think what I going to say when God asked me. “Rainer” where are my childrens ? How many childrens did you gave me ?.

My brothers and sisters , please let us all today pray for the family.

73% Muslims against 35% Christian.

pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/23/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/
The largest denomination in the United States is Roman Catholicism. There are nearly 70 million Catholics in the US, a little over 20% of the population. The number of Muslims is growing, yes…it is *one *percent, and the Pew Research Center estimates it could reach 2% by 2050.

Meanwhile, if being an ex-Catholic were a religious affiliation, it would be the second-largest denomination in the United States. One-third of who say they were raised Catholic no longer describe themselves as Catholic. ONE. THIRD. (Think about that.)

Yes, there are FAR more future ex-Catholics being born in the US right now than there are future Muslims.

The number of Catholic couples who have their children baptized is down.
The number of baptized children making their First Holy Communion is down.
The number of the baptized being confirmed is down.
The number of Catholics marrying in the Church is down.

No, our problem is not at all a simple matter of not having enough babies. Our problem is that we are not evangelizing the ones we have. That does not mean that reexamining our attitudes towards marriage as a vocation do not need serious re-evaluation, including the matter of being open to children. Having said that, the ex-Catholics I know are as likely to have come from a large family as from a small one.

If you’re scared about the future of the Catholic Church, remember to be afraid for the souls we have had in our fold, but are losing.
 
The largest denomination in the United States is Roman Catholicism. There are nearly 70 million Catholics in the US, a little over 20% of the population. The number of Muslims is growing, yes…it is *one *percent, and the Pew Research Center estimates it could reach 2% by 2050.

Meanwhile, if being an ex-Catholic were a religious affiliation, it would be the second-largest denomination in the United States. One-third of who say they were raised Catholic no longer describe themselves as Catholic. ONE. THIRD. (Think about that.)

Yes, there are FAR more future ex-Catholics being born in the US right now than there are future Muslims.

The number of Catholic couples who have their children baptized is down.
The number of baptized children making their First Holy Communion is down.
The number of the baptized being confirmed is down.
The number of Catholics marrying in the Church is down.

No, our problem is not at all a simple matter of not having enough babies. Our problem is that we are not evangelizing the ones we have. That does not mean that reexamining our attitudes towards marriage as a vocation do not need serious re-evaluation, including the matter of being open to children. Having said that, the ex-Catholics I know are as likely to have come from a large family as from a small one.

If you’re scared about the future of the Catholic Church, remember to be afraid for the souls we have had in our fold, but are losing.
Very good points.
 
Our problem is that we are not evangelizing the ones we have.
I agree. One would think the Church might conduct some research to understand why the “loss” rate is as high as it is. Why do people cease to go to Mass? Why is acceptance of and adherence to certain elements of the faith or teaching so limited? And a sober assessment of the quality and effectiveness of (Catholic) high school religious education would also be interesting.
 
I agree. One would think the Church might conduct some research to understand why the “loss” rate is as high as it is. Why do people cease to go to Mass? Why is acceptance of and adherence to certain elements of the faith or teaching so limited? And a sober assessment of the quality and effectiveness of (Catholic) high school religious education would also be interesting.
Relativism is huge (I say this based on people I know).
The idea that consciences are properly formed by listening to one’s emotions plays a part.
The degree to which it is fashionable to attack organized religion in general and the Church in particular plays a part. Question Authority is continuing to harm the Church and makes remaining a Catholic a stance that requires defense.
The degree to which Catholics have become assimilated, which is somewhat a good thing, plays its part, too.

There are many things…it is extremely hard to be openly and ardently Catholic now, though.
 
We adopted two children without spending a dime on fees, thousands of children in foster care are waiting for parents.
Thank you!!!

Foster parenting is another way to parent a large family without spending a penny on adoption fees and every single state has a shortage of foster homes.
 
Actually a bit different, single parent households tend to have nearly the same number of children as two parent households.
That’s been my experience as well. Never married mothers in most places we have lived have as many children as married/divorced parents. I know more married people choosing to never have children or to have one child only than I have single parents with only one child.
 
Saw this article and thought of this thread. Seems buyer’s remorse is probably a big but somewhat taboo driver of this trend.

yahoo.com/news/inside-growing-movement-women-wish-172948984.html
As more time passed, Laura felt convinced that she had made a life-altering mistake. “I hated, hated, hated the situation I found myself in,” she says. "I think the word for what I felt is ‘trapped.’ After I had a kid, I realized I hated being the mother to an infant, but by then it was too late.
 
Saw this article and thought of this thread. Seems buyer’s remorse is probably a big but somewhat taboo driver of this trend.

yahoo.com/news/inside-growing-movement-women-wish-172948984.html
I could say a lot about this. I’m sympathetic to a degree - I had really rough postpartum depression and motherhood was a hard adjustment, and I also really wanted kids. And some people are better at some ages and stages than others. I stink at toddlerhood, although I’m getting better.

The “backlash” against publicly expressing this kind of thing is, IMO, appropriate. For one thing, children aren’t likely to understand the fine distinctions these mothers are trying to make, and two, what’s the point? They’re here. Deal with it. Make the best of it. For generations we understood that we had to live with the consequences of our actions (and sometimes the actions of others.) If you have to hash it out in therapy, please do. But don’t make public statements about loving your children less than your spouse or wishing you hadn’t had your children. That’s a really, really $%^&% thing to do, even if it’s true. Miss Manners is on to something when she says it’s a mistake in our society to think we have to tell people everything we think and feel.

I think in a society where children were more present and mothers were more a part of the community, this kind of phenomenon wouldn’t exist even in the small way it does now. There’s always been bad mothers (and fathers). But a few generations ago it was easy to get a break from a neighbor or relative and you had other people around you all the time even if you stayed home with your kids. That’s not the case now. 🤷 Maybe address that instead of wishing people didn’t exist.
 
I could say a lot about this. I’m sympathetic to a degree - I had really rough postpartum depression and motherhood was a hard adjustment, and I also really wanted kids. And some people are better at some ages and stages than others. I stink at toddlerhood, although I’m getting better.

The “backlash” against publicly expressing this kind of thing is, IMO, appropriate. For one thing, children aren’t likely to understand the fine distinctions these mothers are trying to make, and two, what’s the point? They’re here. Deal with it. Make the best of it. For generations we understood that we had to live with the consequences of our actions (and sometimes the actions of others.) If you have to hash it out in therapy, please do. But don’t make public statements about loving your children less than your spouse or wishing you hadn’t had your children. That’s a really, really $%^&% thing to do, even if it’s true. Miss Manners is on to something when she says it’s a mistake in our society to think we have to tell people everything we think and feel.

I think in a society where children were more present and mothers were more a part of the community, this kind of phenomenon wouldn’t exist even in the small way it does now. There’s always been bad mothers (and fathers). But a few generations ago it was easy to get a break from a neighbor or relative and you had other people around you all the time even if you stayed home with your kids. That’s not the case now. 🤷 Maybe address that instead of wishing people didn’t exist.
Very well said.
 
Very well said.
What he said.

Chances are that this taboo subject (rightfully so) may be part of the answer to the OP. Those who feel that way probably avoid a second child. It’s impossible to know how prevalent this is, but perhaps the lower birthrates are driven largely by this.
 
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