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What is the history of “Lucifer”.

Apparently only the King James Bible uses the word “Lucifer”, as written in Isaiah 14.12, to describe the fall of the bright morning star - and this was over 1600 years past Jesus’ Resurrection.

If the KJB really is the first and even the only (generally accepted) Bible to name this “morning star”, then where on earth did the English get it from?

Any ideas?
 
Isaiah 14:12 (Latin Vulgate) “quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes”

St Jerome beat the KJV by about 1200 years. Lucifer, as defined by St Jerome, actually comes from the Hebrew helel, which means “morning star.” While it is not an uncommon reference to the devil’s fall, only the KJV retains the Latin word, while the other Bibles use the translated meaning of the Latin word lucifer.
 
Months ago, I went to hear a talk given by exorcist Fr. Vince Lampert and he said that another exorcist he knew had been exorcising a woman for years, but the demon remained. Finally, he (the other exorcist) asked the demon “Are you Lucifer?” There was a long pause before the demon said something like: “I used to be called by that name, but no longer.” Soon after that, the demon departed.
 
Originally it would have been a “pretty” name, “Light-Bearer.” It was an epithet for the planet Venus, because when Venus is the morning star, seeing it means that sunrise is near. Thus – “Light-Bearer.” The name became “ugly” only because of its association with Satan.
 
Christ is also called “lucifer” in Scripture. It’s not a term that specifically designates the Devil.

Peace and God bless!
 
Alberti_Devoveo said:
Isaiah 14:12 (Latin Vulgate) “quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes”

St Jerome beat the KJV by about 1200 years. Lucifer, as defined by St Jerome, actually comes from the Hebrew helel, which means “morning star.” While it is not an uncommon reference to the devil’s fall, only the KJV retains the Latin word, while the other Bibles use the translated meaning of the Latin word lucifer.
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Thanks!
 
ChibiViolet said:
Months ago, I went to hear a talk given by exorcist Fr. Vince Lampert and he said that another exorcist he knew had been exorcising a woman for years, but the demon remained. Finally, he (the other exorcist) asked the demon “Are you Lucifer?” There was a long pause before the demon said something like: “I used to be called by that name, but no longer.” Soon after that, the demon departed.
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Cool
 
Ghosty said:
Christ is also called “lucifer” in Scripture. It’s not a term that specifically designates the Devil.

Peace and God bless!
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And also to you.

Yes, Jesus is also the Morning Star.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
If inclined to enrage Lucifer, call him Lucy! 😃
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I am starting to suspect that Lucifer is an idea, not an entity.

In Genesis he is a snake, and in Job he is arguably an angel, who talks to God in heaven and is called ha-Satan.
 
carlysrose said:
I’ll have to ask my friend who is studying Hebrew if “Lucifer” shows up in the Jewish book.
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Lucifer is a Latin word, so it will not show up in any Hebrew texts. The Hebrew word is helel.
 
DaveBj said:
Originally it would have been a “pretty” name, “Light-Bearer.” It was an epithet for the planet Venus, because when Venus is the morning star, seeing it means that sunrise is near. Thus – “Light-Bearer.” The name became “ugly” only because of its association with Satan.
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The Masons believe that it is Venus too.

I disagree with this assertion.

Jesus calls himself the Morning Star. Is the Sun not a star? Is Jesus not replacing the sun-god? Is Jesus not the Son (Sun) of God?
 
I found the answer to my OP 🙂

"Origenes Adamantius (185 CE - 254 CE), an important Christian scholar of the early Greek Church, and Augustine of Canterbury (d. May 26 604/605 CE), founder of the Christian Church in southern England, both interpreted the use of the term Lucifer as a reference to the Devil.

The name Lucifer was applied to Satan by St. Jerome and later to the demon of sinful pride by Milton in Paradise Lost. Lucifer is the title and principal character of the epic poem by the Dutch playwright, Vondel (who uses Lucifer in lieu of Satan), and a principal character in the mystery play by Imre Madach, ‘The Tragedy of Man’. Blake pictured Lucifer in his illustrations to Dante. George Meredith’s sonnet Lucifer in Starlight addresses the ‘fiend’ as Prince Lucifer. To Spenser in An Hymne of Heavenly Love, Lucifer is ‘the brightest angel, even the Child of Light.’ In Ovid’s Metamorphosis, Lucifer is the morning star and father of Ceyx. He is described as riding a white horse (clarus equo, book XV.189) and his face is characterized by a bright gladness (see XI.270 ff. Lucifero genitore satus patriumque nitorem ore ferens Ceyx). Also see Books II.115 and 723, IV.629,665.

The word ‘satan’ is from a Hebrew word, ‘sathane’, meaning adversary or calumniator; in original Jewish usage (see the book of Job), the satan is the adversary, not of God, but of mankind; i.e., the angel charged by God with the task of proving that mankind is an unworthy creation. 5 Note though, that Balaam’s satan (Numbers 22:23-33) protects him from harm."

freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/luciferandsatan.html
 
Catholic Encyclopedia article on Lucifer:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09410a.htm
**Lucifer
**(Hebrew helel;Septuagint heosphoros, Vulgate lucifer)
The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for “the light of the morning” (Job 11:17), “the signs of the zodiac” (Job 38:32), and “the aurora” (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the “Exultet” of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.
The Syriac version and the version of Aquila derive the Hebrew noun helel from the verb yalal, “to lament”; St. Jerome agrees with them (In Isaiah 1.14), and makes Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel who must lament the loss of his original glory bright as the morning star. In Christian tradition this meaning of Lucifer has prevailed; the Fathers maintain that Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen (Petavius, De Angelis, III, iii, 4).
 
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