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jhalle21
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Hello I was wondering how to explain Luke 18:18 when the rich man calls Jesus good and he responds- why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. Some may interpret this as Jesus saying he is not God
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adf417
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Welcome to CAF Jhalle21
Jesus is questioning his, and those listening, “good teacher” motives.
By telling the man “No one is good but God alone” and the man wants to stick with his own position, he will have to decide for himself if or if not Jesus is truly God. Jesus leaves it up to the individual to decide. He will never push anyone into believing.
Peace!!!
Jesus is questioning his, and those listening, “good teacher” motives.
By telling the man “No one is good but God alone” and the man wants to stick with his own position, he will have to decide for himself if or if not Jesus is truly God. Jesus leaves it up to the individual to decide. He will never push anyone into believing.
Peace!!!
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po18guy
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Jesus could speak from two natures: human and Divine. For example, when He said “the Father is greater than I”, He spoke from His human nature. The Haydock Commentary is brief, but offers this:
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poche
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He is not saying that He is not God. However He had not revealed himself to the young man.
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ReaderT
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I agree with poche: He’s not saying that He is not God.
He’s saying: “Why are you calling me Good (i.e. is it because you realize that I am indeed Good?)”
He’s saying: “Why are you calling me Good (i.e. is it because you realize that I am indeed Good?)”
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PrisonerOfChrist
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It is unlikely the official knew Jesus was God otherwise he wouldn’t have called him “good teacher” but would have rather worshipped him right then and there. Jesus is reminding him to be humble. All good things emanating in man come from God alone who is the source of all good. Jesus is preparing the official to be humble in order to challenge him to go above and beyond the law, which the official unfortunately fails to do.
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adgloriam
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I have some issues with this.
Elsewhere scripture says:“They are good out of their own heart.”
Remitting everything “strictu sensu” to grace and cooperation with grace might not be right. I’m unsure of the doctrine on this.
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PrisonerOfChrist
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“I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing.” - John 15:5PrisonerOfChrist:
I have some issues with this.
Elsewhere scripture says:“They are good out of their own heart.”
Remitting everything “strictu sensu” to grace and cooperation with grace might not be right. I’m unsure of the doctrine on this.
Every good word, thought and deed is a grace from God.
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adgloriam
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I call that into question, there can be more than 1 interpretation to the biblical versicle.
Where does the church’s magisterium explicitly state your claim? (your claim and the scriptural passage aren’t necessarily the same, FYI.)
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PrisonerOfChrist
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Catechism states:PrisonerOfChrist:
I call that into question, there can be more than 1 interpretation to the biblical versicle.
Where does the church’s magisterium explicitly state your claim? (your claim and the scriptural passage aren’t necessarily the same, FYI.)
CCC 864 “Christ, sent by the Father, is the source of the Church’s whole apostolate”; thus the fruitfulness of apostolate for ordained ministers as well as for lay people clearly depends on their vital union with Christ.17
17 cf. John 15:5.
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adgloriam
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THAT IS NOT !! as you stated before::
See the difference?
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PrisonerOfChrist
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Please define apostolate for me
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adgloriam
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It was you who replied with “apostolate” when I called into question your statement: “Every good word, thought and deed is a grace from God.”adgloriam:
Please define apostolate for me
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PrisonerOfChrist
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Yes I replied with “apostolate” quoted from the catechism. This paragraph deals with John 15:5 which supports my assertion “apart from me you can do nothing”. Furthermore the catechism states the following regarding apostolate:
…Indeed, we call an apostolate “every activity of the Mystical Body” that aims “to spread the Kingdom of Christ over all the earth” 863
Part of that activity to spread the Kingdom of Christ is our Christian conduct which should be a light to draw others to Christ. Our conduct derives from our thoughts, words and deeds.
I think our discussion has derailed this thread long enough. I’ve given my opinion regarding the OP. You’re obviously free to agree or disagree.
Take care and God bless.
…Indeed, we call an apostolate “every activity of the Mystical Body” that aims “to spread the Kingdom of Christ over all the earth” 863
Part of that activity to spread the Kingdom of Christ is our Christian conduct which should be a light to draw others to Christ. Our conduct derives from our thoughts, words and deeds.
I think our discussion has derailed this thread long enough. I’ve given my opinion regarding the OP. You’re obviously free to agree or disagree.
Take care and God bless.
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Tis_Bearself
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I always took it the opposite way - Jesus giving the man a subtle hint that he (Jesus) is God. But, as someone else said, not revealing himself so it’ s up to the man to decide.
I can see the humility aspect of Jesus too. He would not have gone around calling himself “good”, even though he was.
I can see the humility aspect of Jesus too. He would not have gone around calling himself “good”, even though he was.
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