Luminous Mysteries According to Method of St. Louis de Montfort?

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St. Louis de Montfort lays out several different methods for saying the rosary, one of which was created for a particular religious order. Method number 1 uses a little prayer before and after each decade which offers the decade to Jesus or to the Holy Spirit, and asks God for the particular grace or virtue which is exemplified in that particular mystery.

For example, one would recite the first decade of the Joyful Mysteries (Incarnation) as follows:

We offer you, Lord Jesus, this decade in honor of your Incarnation. Through this mystery and the intercession of your holy Mother, we ask for humility of heart.
Our Father…
Hail Mary… (x 10)
Glory Be…
May the grace of the mystery of the Incarnation come into me and make me truly humble

The “Oh My Jesus” was not said at the time St. Louis de Monfort lived so he does not mention it.

Again, by way of example, the thrid decade of the Glorious Mysteries (Pentecost) would be recited as follows:

***We offer you, O Holy Spirit, this decade in honor of the mystery of Pentecost. Through this mystery and the intercession of Mary, your most holy spouse, we ask for your holy wisdom that we may know, taste and practice your truth and share it with everyone.
Our Father…
Hail Mary… **(x10)
**Glory Be…
May the grace of Pentecost come into me and make me truly wise in the eys of God. ***

So my querry here it to seek (name removed by moderator)ut about the Luminous Mysteries. Does anyone know if someone has created these little prayers for the Luminious Mysteries, so that these decades can be prayed using the same method, offering the decade to God and asking for the grace or virtue exemplified in that particular mystery? I would think that if anyone had done so, it would be Blessed Pope John Paul II who gave us the Luminous Mysteries, no? If not, I would be interested in ideas, what people think, are the virtures and graces exemplified in each the Luminous Mysteries. They are mysteries of light, of revelation, especially the revelation of Jesus as King, and the proclamation and establishment of the kingdom. Links to articles or books on this topic would be appreciated as well.

A worst case scenario is that I just write my own little prayers for use before and after each Luminous Mystery. It would be better - much better - if I got some good (name removed by moderator)ut on the pricipal virues and graces contained in each mystery, so that I could rough out some prayers. But I really hate to reinvent the wheel, especially if the subject has already been discussed by a saint or Pope.

I do plan on reading Bl. JPII’s apostolic letter which gave us the Luminous Mysteries, but in the meantime, any (name removed by moderator)ut would be appreciated.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
St. Louis de Montfort lays out several different methods for saying the rosary, one of which was created for a particular religious order. Method number 1 uses a little prayer before and after each decade which offers the decade to Jesus or to the Holy Spirit, and asks God for the particular grace or virtue which is exemplified in that particular mystery.

For example, one would recite the first decade of the Joyful Mysteries (Incarnation) as follows:

We offer you, Lord Jesus, this decade in honor of your Incarnation. Through this mystery and the intercession of your holy Mother, we ask for humility of heart.
Our Father…
Hail Mary… (x 10)
Glory Be…
May the grace of the mystery of the Incarnation come into me and make me truly humble

The “Oh My Jesus” was not said at the time St. Louis de Monfort lived so he does not mention it.

Again, by way of example, the thrid decade of the Glorious Mysteries (Pentecost) would be recited as follows:

***We offer you, O Holy Spirit, this decade in honor of the mystery of Pentecost. Through this mystery and the intercession of Mary, your most holy spouse, we ask for your holy wisdom that we may know, taste and practice your truth and share it with everyone.
Our Father…
Hail Mary… ***(x10)
**Glory Be…
May the grace of Pentecost come into me and make me truly wise in the eys of God. **

So my querry here it to seek (name removed by moderator)ut about the Luminous Mysteries. Does anyone know if someone has created these little prayers for the Luminious Mysteries, so that these decades can be prayed using the same method, offering the decade to God and asking for the grace or virtue exemplified in that particular mystery? I would think that if anyone had done so, it would be Blessed Pope John Paul II who gave us the Luminous Mysteries, no? If not, I would be interested in ideas, what people think, are the virtures and graces exemplified in each the Luminous Mysteries. They are mysteries of light, of revelation, especially the revelation of Jesus as King, and the proclamation and establishment of the kingdom. Links to articles or books on this topic would be appreciated as well.

A worst case scenario is that I just write my own little prayers for use before and after each Luminous Mystery. It would be better - much better - if I got some good (name removed by moderator)ut on the pricipal virues and graces contained in each mystery, so that I could rough out some prayers. But I really hate to reinvent the wheel, especially if the subject has already been discussed by a saint or Pope.

I do plan on reading Bl. JPII’s apostolic letter which gave us the Luminous Mysteries, but in the meantime, any (name removed by moderator)ut would be appreciated.

-Tim-
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Sadly (I’m not a fan of the luminous mysteries) yes, catholicbookpublishing.com have a version of ‘secret of the Rosary’ which has them according to the method of St Louis de Montfort.

Frankly though it can only be a pale imitation of his method as:
1)It isnt by him, and
2)He would never have accepted that the rosary needed or could have anymore mysteries

Indeed I suspect he would have viewed the idea with horror.
 
aquinascath said:
Sadly (I’m not a fan of the luminous mysteries) yes, catholicbookpublishing.com have a version of ‘secret of the Rosary’ which has them according to the method of St Louis de Montfort.

Frankly though it can only be a pale imitation of his method as:
1)It isnt by him, and
2)He would never have accepted that the rosary needed or could have anymore mysteries

Indeed I suspect he would have viewed the idea with horror.
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I respectfully disagree. He was an obedient son of the Church, and loved our Lady. I don’t think he would have had a problem with the Luminous Mysteries.

However, we’re both engaging in pure speculation. St Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort, pray for us.
 
aquinascath said:
Sadly (I’m not a fan of the luminous mysteries) yes, catholicbookpublishing.com have a version of ‘secret of the Rosary’ which has them according to the method of St Louis de Montfort.

Frankly though it can only be a pale imitation of his method as:
1)It isnt by him, and
2)He would never have accepted that the rosary needed or could have anymore mysteries

Indeed I suspect he would have viewed the idea with horror.
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With all due respect, I asked if anyone had (name removed by moderator)ut regarding the virtues or graces exemplified in the Luminious Mysteries, not for opinions on the mysteries themselves or guesses as to what St. Louis de Montfort would have thought about them.

Anyone who has read anything about St. Louis de Montfort knows that above all, he was obedient to the Chruch and its authority. As a holy man here on CAF said, the saints of old were “Children of the Church.” They obeyed. St. Louis de Montfort walked 1000 miles from Paris to the Vatican to ask the Holy Father for permission to go to America but Holy Father denied his request. The saint turned around and walked back to Paris. He obeyed.

Pope Clement XI allowed St. Louis de Montfort to preach throughout France, but instructed him to always obey the local superior. He did exactly that - obey. Even when the local Bishop asked him to leave the diocese, he would collect his things and quietly leave without making a fuss. The fact that he was itinerant, with no other posessions but what he carried in a knapsack, struck many priests and bishops as undignified. He was often asked to leave a particular diocese - he obeyed.

Where you presume St. Louis de Montfort’s horror at what Blessed Pope John Paul II the Great has given us in the Luminious Mysteries, I rather presume St. Louis de Montfort’s obedience, and remind you that both St. Louis de Montfort who preached the rosary, and Blessed Pope John Paul II the Great who gave us the Luminious Mysteries of the rosary, are saints. Both of them. All the religious and priests who are saints, all exhibited the virtue of profound obedience to to the Church. They obeyed wihtout question. Humility is the foundational of all virtues. Humility and obedience is what made them saints.

Since you have purified yourselves by obedience to the truth for sincere mutual love, love one another intensely from a [pure] heart. (1 Peter 1:22)

Perhaps most here on CAF have not read this verse written by our first Pope? Or perhaps they have just forgotten?. The saints however, all understood the teaching of Peter that obedience purifies, and wihout obedience, one cannot have a genuine love for their neighbor. Obedience to the Church is something sorely lacking in today’s Church. Instead we second guess the teaching of all the saints and presume to know better than the Vicar of Christ on Earth!!!

The saints of old did not have such arrogance.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
With all due respect, I asked if anyone had (name removed by moderator)ut regarding the virtues or graces exemplified in the Luminious Mysteries, not for opinions on the mysteries themselves or guesses as to what St. Louis de Montfort would have thought about them.

Anyone who has read anything about St. Louis de Montfort knows that above all, he was obedient to the Chruch and its authority. As a holy man here on CAF said, the saints of old were “Children of the Church.” They obeyed. St. Louis de Montfort walked 1000 miles from Paris to the Vatican to ask the Holy Father for permission to go to America but Holy Father denied his request. The saint turned around and walked back to Paris. He obeyed.

Pope Clement XI allowed St. Louis de Montfort to preach throughout France, but instructed him to always obey the local superior. He did exactly that - obey. Even when the local Bishop asked him to leave the diocese, he would collect his things and quietly leave without making a fuss. The fact that he was itinerant, with no other posessions but what he carried in a knapsack, struck many priests and bishops as undignified. He was often asked to leave a particular diocese - he obeyed.

Where you presume St. Louis de Montfort’s horror at what Blessed Pope John Paul II the Great has given us in the Luminious Mysteries, I rather presume St. Louis de Montfort’s obedience, and remind you that both St. Louis de Montfort who preached the rosary, and Blessed Pope John Paul II the Great who gave us the Luminious Mysteries of the rosary, are saints. Both of them. All the religious and priests who are saints, all exhibited the virtue of profound obedience to to the Church. They obeyed wihtout question. Humility is the foundational of all virtues. Humility and obedience is what made them saints.

Since you have purified yourselves by obedience to the truth for sincere mutual love, love one another intensely from a [pure] heart. (1 Peter 1:22)

Perhaps most here on CAF have not read this verse written by our first Pope? Or perhaps they have just forgotten?. The saints however, all understood the teaching of Peter that obedience purifies, and wihout obedience, one cannot have a genuine love for their neighbor. Obedience to the Church is something sorely lacking in today’s Church. Instead we second guess the teaching of all the saints and presume to know better than the Vicar of Christ on Earth!!!

The saints of old did not have such arrogance.

-Tim-
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Information which I provided, albeit with a caveat.

The luminous mysteries are not an ‘official teaching’ and by definition they cannot be, as they are voluntary (that is not obligatory) additions to a private devotion. Calling someone disobeident because they don’t approve of the luminous mysteries is therefore no less foolish than for example denouncing those who disagree with some aspects of Dominican theology if we happened to have a ‘Dominican’ Pope.

You can harp on about obedience till the cows come home but sadly that has nothing to do with the issue at hand whatsoever, this is about personal opinions and prudence. After all the imposition of the luminous mysteries cannot be called an official teaching of the church and is entirely voluntary.

A good example of this is that The Rosary Confraternity does not require that one pray all 20 mysteries of the rosary but merely requires 15 excluding the luminous. Are they disobedient too? And no before you ask they don’t recommend you pray them, I do believe they don’t say anything on the subject at all.

All I have done is point out that whilst a method has been created according to the method of St Louis De Montfort, it is inferior to the methods created by him as:
1)It was not created by him, and
2)Much of his theology involving the rosary falls apart if one believes that the rosary can be ‘improved’ or was ‘not complete’ or ‘should have more mysteries’ or in fact any of the reasoning used for the luminous mysteries. St Louis De Montfort in his book on the Rosary makes it clear he believes the Rosary cannot be impproved, is complete and explains its perfection with reference to its having 3 sets of mysteries, the number of hail marys that strictly form part of the Rosary being 150 and so on.

Bl John Paul II is properly called a blessed not a canonised saint, hence why he is blessed and not a saint, though of course you may hold the pious belief that he is a Saint others may disagree. When the Church acclaims him as a canonised saint I will necessarily hold him as such.

Though obedience is a virtue, it does not exclude ‘passing over’ those things which are (regarding the magisterium) for one reason or another sinful or as in this case entirely voluntary and optional, no one can be forced to adopt carmelite spirituality or jesuit etc… And debate on which is the best and criticism of the spirituality is entirely permitted, as the Jesuits and Dominican did for several decades on the matter of ‘Grace’. Neither does True Obedience exclude legitimate disobedience or criticism, St Paul famously rebuked St Peter and St Catherine of Siena wrote a series of letters criticising a series of popes, are we going to accuse them of being disobedient?
 
If anyone has any useful (name removed by moderator)ut, send me a PM please.

-Tim-
 
Someone had sent me a PM about the luminous mysteries of the rosary according to the method of St. Louis de Montfort. If the person who sent the PM happens to read this, can you point me to the thread again or resentd the message? Thanks.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
Someone had sent me a PM about the luminous mysteries of the rosary according to the method of St. Louis de Montfort. If the person who sent the PM happens to read this, can you point me to the thread again or resentd the message? Thanks.

-Tim-
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Here it is, Tim. God bless.

Luminous Mysteries
 
:):):):):)👍

That is a really good thread. When I tried to blookmark it, I found that I had it in my bookmarks already. 😛

-Tim-
 
aquinascath said:
Information which I provided, albeit with a caveat.

The luminous mysteries are not an ‘official teaching’ and by definition they cannot be, as they are voluntary (that is not obligatory) additions to a private devotion.
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Just a little additional information. The Rosary is not an ‘official teaching’ and by definition (a private devotion) can not be. It is voluntary as are all private devotions, and is open to being said in any way one wishes.

One could pray only the Sorrowful Mysteries and ignore all the rest.
 
aquinascath said:
Information which I provided, albeit with a caveat.

The luminous mysteries are not an ‘official teaching’ and by definition they cannot be, as they are voluntary (that is not obligatory) additions to a private devotion. Calling someone disobeident because they don’t approve of the luminous mysteries is therefore no less foolish than for example denouncing those who disagree with some aspects of Dominican theology if we happened to have a ‘Dominican’ Pope.

You can harp on about obedience till the cows come home but sadly that has nothing to do with the issue at hand whatsoever, this is about personal opinions and prudence. After all the imposition of the luminous mysteries cannot be called an official teaching of the church and is entirely voluntary.

A good example of this is that The Rosary Confraternity does not require that one pray all 20 mysteries of the rosary but merely requires 15 excluding the luminous. Are they disobedient too? And no before you ask they don’t recommend you pray them, I do believe they don’t say anything on the subject at all.

All I have done is point out that whilst a method has been created according to the method of St Louis De Montfort, it is inferior to the methods created by him as:
1)It was not created by him, and
2)Much of his theology involving the rosary falls apart if one believes that the rosary can be ‘improved’ or was ‘not complete’ or ‘should have more mysteries’ or in fact any of the reasoning used for the luminous mysteries. St Louis De Montfort in his book on the Rosary makes it clear he believes the Rosary cannot be impproved, is complete and explains its perfection with reference to its having 3 sets of mysteries, the number of hail marys that strictly form part of the Rosary being 150 and so on.

Bl John Paul II is properly called a blessed not a canonised saint, hence why he is blessed and not a saint, though of course you may hold the pious belief that he is a Saint others may disagree. When the Church acclaims him as a canonised saint I will necessarily hold him as such.

Though obedience is a virtue, it does not exclude ‘passing over’ those things which are (regarding the magisterium) for one reason or another sinful or as in this case entirely voluntary and optional, no one can be forced to adopt carmelite spirituality or jesuit etc… And debate on which is the best and criticism of the spirituality is entirely permitted, as the Jesuits and Dominican did for several decades on the matter of ‘Grace’. Neither does True Obedience exclude legitimate disobedience or criticism, St Paul famously rebuked St Peter and St Catherine of Siena wrote a series of letters criticising a series of popes, are we going to accuse them of being disobedient?
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Very well said.
 
ByzCath said:
Just a little additional information. The Rosary is not an ‘official teaching’ and by definition (a private devotion) can not be. It is voluntary as are all private devotions, and is open to being said in any way one wishes.

One could pray only the Sorrowful Mysteries and ignore all the rest.
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Very critical point made!
👍 I change it often, depending on the Novena, personal prayers, etc. that I am saying at the time. It is extremely versital.
 
I don’t know if this is what you mean, but here is what is in one of my Rosary booklets:
  1. The Baptism of Jesus in the Jordon.
    Imitate: Jesus standing under the torrent of God’s grace.
    Obtain: To live the grace of our baptism day.
  2. The Wedding feast at Cana.
    Imitate: The willingness to do whatever Jesus tells us.
    Obtain: The revelation of his glory in our lives.
  3. The Proclamation of the Kingdom of God.
    Imitate: The Beatitudes.
    Obtain: The Kingdom of heaven.
  4. The Transfiguration of the Lord.
    Imitate: The prayer of Moses, Elijah and Jesus.
    Obtain: The transfiguration of our lives.
  5. The Institution of the Eucharist.
    Imitate: The bread that is broken and the cup that is poured out.
    Obtain: Our transformation into Jesus.
 
Once again, the question in the original post was asked to determine if anyone had further developed for the Luminous Mysteries the method of saying the rosary by St. Louis de Montfort.

The original question had to do with the graces and virtues represented in the Luminous Mysteries and what those graces and virtues might be.

To that end, the question has been answered to my satisfaction.

-Tim-
 
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