Luminous Mysteries Issues

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Regarding the Luminous Mysteries
I am a Catholic of the Anglican Ordinate and I truly enjoy praying the Rosary. But I have run into Catholics who attend the Novus Ordo mass who feel that if don’t pray the Luminous Mysteries exactly in the order suggested by St John Paul II you aren’t doing it right. For me the traditional 15 Mysteries work best in the original order. I pray the Luminous Mysteries as an extra Chaplet on Thursday’s (and even, on rare occasion, Monday’s) AFTER the Joyful Mysteries which preserves the original order. The method commonly being used is to me discordant. I don’t ask others do as I do but I would prefer people not try to mandate that others be in lock step with them on a PRIVATE devotion. For that reason I often find it easier to pray the Rosary with Traditional Latin Mass Catholics. I wish there were more like Patrick Madrid among the Novus Ordo Catholics.
 
No one should tell you what to do regarding the Luminous Mysteries if you are praying the Rosary by yourself or with your family at home.

NOW, if you are praying the Rosary publically with the parish, then you are going to pray which ever Mysteries the parish prays.

In other words, if the Parish Rosary is the 2002 order, then that’s what’s used publicly in the parish.
 
Yes, when praying parish rosary you follow the norm for that parish. But when praying on my on own or with friends I do not believe it is required to follow the new order of the Mysteries.
 
Novus Ordo Catholic here. The Rosary is a pious discipline that you can do any way you like. The method you describe looks fine to me. I hope your friends can see this.
 
“Run into people,” in what way.

People that prefer the new order of the mysteries? Or are they people that are trying I say that your way is wrong?

It seems to be that this has to be happening at mass. Otherwise how would you know which mass they attend?

I can’t imagine anyone would be able to look at me and say, " she is a NO mass attendee. " Or, “she is a TLM attendee.”
 
Kurt-Hager

Welcome to CAF!

Pray the rosary in whatever way is comfortable for you. It’s a private devotion strongly encouraged by the Church. It is unrelated to whether a person prefers the public liturgy of the EF or OF.

Avoid referring to people as 'Novus Ordo Catholics".
 
I agree with your inclination to treat the Luminous Mysteries as a separate chaplet. As for thursdays, I just pray the Mysteries that correspond to the season. As an example, during the Chrismas season (which we are still in until the Presentation of Our Lord/Purification of the Blessed Virgin, Feb 2 - old calendar, I guess) I would pray the Joyful Mysteries. Ultimately, my understanding is that you can pray whatever mysteries you like, whenever you like.
 
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Before Saint JP2 gave us the Luminous Mysteries, I was praying decades for the baptism of Jesus by John in the Jordan, the transfiguration, and the Holy Eucharist, using scripture.

Imagine my surprise when the Holy Father gave us those mysteries!
 
I think people can meditate on whatever part of Jesus’ life that they want to.
 
PennyinCanada said:
Before Saint JP2 gave us the Luminous Mysteries, I was praying decades for the baptism of Jesus by John in the Jordan, the transfiguration, and the Holy Eucharist, using scripture.

Imagine my surprise when the Holy Father gave us those mysteries!
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That’s amazing. Any remembrance how your meditation towards those three events developed?
 
First time talking when I was talking with a friend about my using it as a Chaplet (after mass when I mentioned I did not consider it personally as part of the rosary as much as I did an additional devotion). Second time I was talking outside the church before mass with a a couple of acquaintances about the rosary in general when I was approached by someone listening to our conversation wanting to correct my methods.
 
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I was talking outside the church before mass with a a couple of acquaintances about the rosary in general when I was approached by someone listening to our conversation wanting to correct my methods.
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Well, that was extremely rude. Feel free to ignore that person, and his or her opinions.
 
If you read the encyclical proposing the new mysteries, it is presented as a proposal, not a discipline:

In effect, the Rosary is simply a method of contemplation. As a method, it serves as a means to an end and cannot become an end in itself. All the same, as the fruit of centuries of experience, this method should not be undervalued. In its favour one could cite the experience of countless Saints. This is not to say, however, that the method cannot be improved. Such is the intent of the addition of the new series of mysteria lucis to the overall cycle of mysteries and of the few suggestions which I am proposing in this Letter regarding its manner of recitation. These suggestions, while respecting the well-established structure of this prayer, are intended to help the faithful to understand it in the richness of its symbolism and in harmony with the demands of daily life. Otherwise there is a risk that the Rosary would not only fail to produce the intended spiritual effects, but even that the beads, with which it is usually said, could come to be regarded as some kind of amulet or magic object, thereby radically distorting their meaning and function. --Pope St. John Paul II

The whole encyclical is well worth reading, actually. It is a wonderful reflection on the Rosary.
http://www.vatican.va/content/john-...ii_apl_20021016_rosarium-virginis-mariae.html
 
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The perpetual rosary thread in the Spirituality Forum places the Luminous Mysteries between the Sorrowful and Glorious Mysteries so that all the mysteries are in chronological order as they occurred during that first century, AD. Please join us there. ❤️

[Let’s pray a Perpetual Rosary]
 
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“Suggested” and “Customary” are the operative words. Some folks allow their disrdered desire for order to claim their good sense. Some may have OCD. Whatever, not to worry!

A little derail, then back. As to the sorrowful mysteries, having a background in the legal system, I like to meditate on 1) the agony in the garden, 2) the trial before Pilate, 3) the scourging and crowning with thorns, 4) the carrying of the cross and 5) the crucifixion and death.

I just find the trial before Pilate to be fascinaiting to reflect on. He was the only one present who was the slightest bit concerned with the truth.
 
It is a private devotion and can be prayed any way you wish to pray it. Just pray !
 
It would make perfect sense to pray the rosary as you like in your own private time or sitting alone in a parish. In a group being led by another, is a different situation where you would oblige and do as the group does. If that becomes a problem for you, simply pray the rosary on your own - many do that. I have a few close friends who have never included the Luminous Mysteries in their rosary. I think the Blessed Mother would accept our prayers from our heart and not from regiment. I personally find all these types of ongoing changes are now distractions.
 
Minks said:
The perpetual rosary thread in the Spirituality Forum places the Luminous Mysteries between the Sorrowful and Glorious Mysteries so that all the mysteries are in chronological order as they occurred during that first century, AD. Please join us there. ❤️

[Let’s pray a Perpetual Rosary]
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Please forget the above post! I don’t know what I was thinking when I typed it! I apologize for misleading anyone. Mea culpa! Mea culpa!

We have @St.Bede to thank for starting the “Let’s Pray a Perpetual Rosary” thread in the Spirituality Forum. Please come pray with us, either through reading or posting, as we approach the 7,000 mark!

We use the following order—Joyful, Luminous, Sorrowful, Glorious—praying the Four Mysteries in the chronological order of events as they occurred during the life of Christ in the first century, AD.
 
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