"Lutheran minister: Pope Francis told me Protestants and Catholics are ‘very close’ in how we ‘worship’ "

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Tis_Bearself said:
With all due respect, it’s the Week of Christian Unity. I refuse to support Lifesite’s efforts to foment outrage over Catholic-Protestant relations during this specific time window.
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Very well put. Lifesite proves once again that they are not interested in doing any thing constructive
 
I just read the article. It is not a slam piece. I actually looks like Life Site’s attempt at participating in Christian Unity week.

They are actually acknowledging that externally, the Catholic Mass and Lutheran worship are similar. I
 
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phil19034 said:
I actually looks like Life Site’s attempt at participating in Christian Unity week.
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When they lead with the shared Holy Communion comment? Surely they know it’s going to set everybody off even if they say it in an angelic tone.

I’m reminded of the expression “d**ning with faint praise”.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
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phil19034:
I actually looks like Life Site’s attempt at participating in Christian Unity week.
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When they lead with the shared Holy Communion comment? Surely they know it’s going to set everybody off even if they say it in an angelic tone.

I’m reminded of the expression “d**ning with faint praise”.
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Perhaps. But I did say it was their “attempt.” 🙂
 
godisgood77 said:
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Tis_Bearself:
With all due respect, it’s the Week of Christian Unity. I refuse to support Lifesite’s efforts to foment outrage over Catholic-Protestant relations during this specific time window.
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Very well put. Lifesite proves once again that they are not interested in doing any thing constructive
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In fairness to LSN, they have done some constructive work on important, and neglected areas of events impacting prolife.
 
phil19034 said:
It is not a slam piece.
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Well, I concede that it is not as bad as usual for them. However, it is far from a Christian unity piece. At various points, they get out their sword of separation and poke it where they can, e.g., concerning the Real Presence and praying to saints including Mary during our vs their worship. They also spend far too much time speculating and then denying, repeatedly, that Pope Francis helped out in a Lutheran service. I’ll give LifeSiteNews a C+ for this work.
 
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There is a fair bit of false information in this article. First, the Lutheran Confessions affirm, quite emphatically, that we believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. And while we do not believe that the mass is a sacrifice, this has nothing to do with whether Christ is present in the Eucharist, but on the difference between a sacrifice and a sacrament. We hold that a sacrifice is something that we offer to God, in this case, for our atonement. We do not believe that in the Eucharist we are offering Christ to make atonement for our sins. Rather, we believe that the Eucharist is a sacrament, where God gives us forgiveness of sins by the promise of his word, confirmed by the earthly presence of his body and blood in the elements of communion. In other words, we are not offering Christ as a sacrifice to God, but receiving Christ’s body and blood as the sign that he has forgiven our sins once for all time at the cross. If there is a sacrifice offered in the mass, it is the thanks we give in response to the gift God has given us through his body and blood (hence the name Eucharist). Is Lifesite news normally this dishonest in their reporting? I don’t read them much.
 
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In relation to that, here’s something from an article about Pope Benedict XVI and the ordinary form:
“It always impressed me that our Protestant brethren, in transforming the medieval liturgical forms, have achieved a real balance between, on the one hand, the relationship of the community to its leader and, on the other, their common relationship to the cross. Their whole basic approach laid great weight on the community character of worship and the interplay of leader and congregation, whereas in the Catholic liturgy of former times this only consisted in the priest’s turning round for a brief ‘Dominus vobiscum‘ or to invite the people to pray. But when it is a question of praying together, Protestants, people and leader, together turn to the image of the Crucified. I think we should seriously try to learn from this.”
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From Feast of Faith, p. 144

 
Hodos said:
There is a fair bit of false information in this article. First, the Lutheran Confessions affirm, quite emphatically, that we believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. And while we do not believe that the mass is a sacrifice, this has nothing to do with whether Christ is present in the Eucharist, but on the difference between a sacrifice and a sacrament. We hold that a sacrifice is something that we offer to God, in this case, for our atonement. We do not believe that in the Eucharist we are offering Christ to make atonement for our sins. Rather, we believe that the Eucharist is a sacrament, where God gives us forgiveness of sins by the promise of his word, confirmed by the earthly presence of his body and blood in the elements of communion. In other words, we are not offering Christ as a sacrifice to God, but receiving Christ’s body and blood as the sign that he has forgiven our sins once for all time at the cross. If there is a sacrifice offered in the mass, it is the thanks we give in response to the gift God has given us through his body and blood (hence the name Eucharist). Is Lifesite news normally this dishonest in their reporting? I don’t read them much.
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Question: what do Lutherans do with the crumbs from communion?
 
Hodos said:
Is Lifesite news normally this dishonest in their reporting? I don’t read them much.
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Yes. They are not news, in my opinion, but a propaganda machine against anything they deem “not Catholic enough”.
 
phil19034 said:
Question: what do Lutherans do with the crumbs from communion?
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Typically we use a host, so there are no crumbs. However, in the event that there is we would either consume them or return them to the ground by disposing of them in a sacrarium.
 
CilladeRoma said:
Yes. They are not news, in my opinion, but a propaganda machine against anything they deem “not Catholic enough”.
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I am fine with them having doctrinal bones to pick with us, just not with the blatant misrepresentation of our confessions. I mean, these documents have been around for 500 years. You would think they could at least honestly state what we actually believe and confess by now.
 
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po18guy said:
Please please please IGNORE LSN! They are hysterical and hyperbolic.

The Holy Spirit unites. What is it that they are doing?
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Well, sometimes the Holy Spirit unites, sometimes divides. Rev. King pulled out of a denomination he considered too passive in confronting the sin of racism.

In the past LSN became angry, occasionally over the top, reporting appalling acts of imprudence and passivity by churches and others in the area of prolife. Sometimes only then did the .mainstream Catholic and other media sluggishly give it some attention, after LSN spotlighted atrocities.

This doesn’t justify their nonsense when they get away from their prolife specialty.
 
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po18guy:
Please please please IGNORE LSN! They are hysterical and hyperbolic.

The Holy Spirit unites. What is it that they are doing?
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Well, sometimes the Holy Spirit unites, sometimes divides. Rev. King pulled out of a denomination he considered too passive in confronting the sin of racism.

In the past LSN became angry, occasionally over the top, reporting appalling acts of imprudence and passivity by churches and others in the area of prolife. Sometimes only then did the .mainstream Catholic and other media sluggishly give it some attention, after LSN spotlighted atrocities.

This doesn’t justify their nonsense when they get away from their prolife specialty.
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I agree. Lifesitenews should not be ignored. They are very good when they stay in the fight against abortion & euthanasia.

When it comes to Catholic news, they can be jaded by actions or inactions by members of the Church which they feel helps the pro abortion crowd.

However, in their defense, I think it is easy to become jaded if you whole job focuses on reporting on evil.
 
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