Lutheranism vs. Catholicism

[hn160]

• The Book of Concord, which contains the only “official” writings of the Lutheran Church, does not define the canon of the Bible anywhere. The citation to Maccabbees in the Augsburg Confession does not necessarily mandate a belief in its canonical status, but to me, it indicates that Lutherans should believe that the deuterocanonicals are much more than merely ancient books. An interesting coincidence to your observation is that I just was reading a tract from Luther written in the 1530s (more than a decade after the Reformation) about how to pray and he favorably cited Sirach.
• I can affirm Jon’s comment about asking God to listen to the prayers of the saints.

FYI. Concordia Publishing House is going to publish the Apocrypha with Lutheran Study Notes sometime this year.

 

[Maciosaig]

That depends on what “synod” of Lutheranism you are talking about. The ELCA has become satanic in their quest to ordain practicing homosexuals and women. The LCMS for the most part is more Christian than the Catholic church is today. And WELS is the most pure form of Lutheranism, which is not Protestant but Reformed Catholic. The WELS synod believes as Martin Luther did that the bible is Gods word and Cannot be wrong which is contrary to Catholic teaching. I had to leave the ever becoming ultra liberal anti-bible Catholic faith of which I was born to learn this . Becoming a WELS Lutheran is not easy and shouldn’t be. You have to affirm your belief in Gods word/ the bible and be a fly by night parishioner. I pray to God that one day the Catholic church will see their wrong ways and accept the reforms of Martin Luther. That would make the Catholic church God centered and force some of the other Lutherans that lost their way to conform or go to the wayside with all the heretics.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

That depends on what “synod” of Lutheranism you are talking about. The ELCA has become satanic in their quest to ordain practicing homosexuals and women. The LCMS for the most part is more Christian than the Catholic church is today. And WELS is the most pure form of Lutheranism, which is not Protestant but Reformed Catholic. The WELS synod believes as Martin Luther did that the bible is Gods word and Cannot be wrong which is contrary to Catholic teaching. I had to leave the ever becoming ultra liberal anti-bible Catholic faith of which I was born to learn this . Becoming a WELS Lutheran is not easy and shouldn’t be. You have to affirm your belief in Gods word/ the bible and be a fly by night parishioner. I pray to God that one day the Catholic church will see their wrong ways and accept the reforms of Martin Luther. That would make the Catholic church God centered and force some of the other Lutherans that lost their way to conform or go to the wayside with all the heretics.

I dont’ know much about the WELS, But your statments about the Catholic Church are so far wrong that I was shocked to see you put your religion as TRAD Catholic. I really expect to see fundemental Baptist.

 

[dje101]

I dont’ know much about the WELS, But your statments about the Catholic Church are so far wrong that I was shocked to see you put your religion as TRAD Catholic. I really expect to see fundemental Baptist.

I was about to say the same thing. From everything I’ve learned and read about the Catholic Church, the Bibke IS the inerrant word of God and one of the three pillars of the church.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

I was about to say the same thing. From everything I’ve learned and read about the Catholic Church, the Bible IS the inerrant word of God and one of the three pillars of the church.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

That depends on what “synod” of Lutheranism you are talking about. The ELCA has become satanic in their quest to ordain practicing homosexuals and women. The LCMS for the most part is more Christian than the Catholic church is today. And WELS is the most pure form of Lutheranism, which is not Protestant but Reformed Catholic. The WELS synod believes as Martin Luther did that the bible is Gods word and Cannot be wrong which is contrary to Catholic teaching. I had to leave the ever becoming ultra liberal anti-bible Catholic faith of which I was born to learn this . Becoming a WELS Lutheran is not easy and shouldn’t be. You have to affirm your belief in Gods word/ the bible and be a fly by night parishioner. I pray to God that one day the Catholic church will see their wrong ways and accept the reforms of Martin Luther. That would make the Catholic church God centered and force some of the other Lutherans that lost their way to conform or go to the wayside with all the heretics.

It’s no use lying that you are a traditional Catholic when we can clearly see that you are a member of the WELS.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

I dont’ know much about the WELS, But your statments about the Catholic Church are so far wrong that I was shocked to see you put your religion as TRAD Catholic. I really expect to see fundemental Baptist.

WELS is pretty much fundamental Lutheransim.

 

[wisdomseeker]

That depends on what “synod” of Lutheranism you are talking about. The ELCA has become satanic in their quest to ordain practicing homosexuals and women. The LCMS for the most part is more Christian than the Catholic church is today. And WELS is the most pure form of Lutheranism, which is not Protestant but Reformed Catholic. The WELS synod believes as Martin Luther did that the bible is Gods word and Cannot be wrong which is contrary to Catholic teaching. I had to leave the ever becoming ultra liberal anti-bible Catholic faith of which I was born to learn this . Becoming a WELS Lutheran is not easy and shouldn’t be. You have to affirm your belief in Gods word/ the bible and be a fly by night parishioner. I pray to God that one day the Catholic church will see their wrong ways and accept the reforms of Martin Luther. That would make the Catholic church God centered and force some of the other Lutherans that lost their way to conform or go to the wayside with all the heretics.

What in the world are you talking about. where did you get the name Traditional Catholic from? obviously you have no idea what the Traditional Catholic believes. I am a Traditional Catholic and what you have said is complete contrary to Traditional Catholics. Please remove the name if you want to talk against the CC.

I suspect you are not even a Catholic.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

What in the world are you talking about. where did you get the name Traditional Catholic from? obviously you have no idea what the Traditional Catholic believes. I am a Traditional Catholic and what you have said is complete contrary to Traditional Catholics. Please remove the name if you want to talk against the CC.

I suspect you are not even a Catholic.

Many conservative Lutherans consider themselves as members of the Catholic Church. Of course, you have to understand that they believe in an “invisible church” made up of all “true” believers, and the WELS and those in confession with it are the only churches/communities that teach doctrine free of error.

 

[joe370]

Many conservative Lutherans consider themselves as members of the Catholic Church. Of course, you have to understand that they believe in an “invisible church” made up of all “true” believers, and the WELS and those in confession with it are the only churches/communities that teach doctrine free of error.

Where does scripture mention an invisible church (comprised of many many self governing churches) - made up of all true" believers?

 

[joe370]

• The Book of Concord, which contains the only “official” writings of the Lutheran Church, does not define the canon of the Bible anywhere. The citation to Maccabbees in the Augsburg Confession does not necessarily mandate a belief in its canonical status, but to me, it indicates that Lutherans should believe that the deuterocanonicals are much more than merely ancient books.

So, much more than merely ancient books, but not quite the word of God?

 

[eo_chibears]

What’s the difference between these two?

Jesus Christ started the Catholic Church, Martin Luther started Lutheranism.

 

[joe370]

Jesus Christ started the Catholic Church, Martin Luther started Lutheranism.

And the best way for someone to prove you wrong about Jesus establishing the CC is for someone to identify the name of the person, other than Jesus, who reputedly established the CC and when, and no one can.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Where does scripture mention an invisible church (comprised of many many self governing churches) - made up of all true" believers?

Many conservative Lutherans consider themselves as members of the Catholic Church. Of course, you have to understand that they believe in an “invisible church” made up of all “true” believers, and the WELS and those in confession with it are the only churches/communities that teach doctrine free of error.

Of course. it is what they believe. it doesnt really matter what they believe. It only matters what God says and not what someone believes. I can breath now.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Many conservative Lutherans consider themselves as members of the Catholic Church. Of course, you have to understand that they believe in an “invisible church” made up of all “true” believers, and the WELS and those in confession with it are the only churches/communities that teach doctrine free of error.

I don’t know about all Catholic’s but I believe in “invisible church” made up of all “true” believers, as well as the visible church.

Invisible Church = Church triumphant in Heaven and the Church suffering the poor soul in purgatory.

Visible Church = church militant = Catholic Faithful here on earth. I do include our separated brethren here. For as the Holy Father has stated they are part of us even if it is an imperfect union.( to paraphrase)

 

[gcnuss]

I don’t know about all Catholic’s but I believe in “invisible church” made up of all “true” believers, as well as the visible church.

Invisible Church = Church triumphant in Heaven and the Church suffering the poor soul in purgatory.

Visible Church = church militant = Catholic Faithful here on earth. I do include our separated brethren here. For as the Holy Father has stated they are part of us even if it is an imperfect union.( to paraphrase)

Scott,
A good post. As one of the “separated brethren,” I have no doubt that I am a part of the church established by Jesus. It grieves me that all Christians are not in earthly union although I am certain that once we enter the Church Triumphant all differences will cease to exist.

 

[CopticChristian]

That is my only response to that.
As the OP has been posting with me on the slaming protestants thread…real life example right here…as if we are somehow unaware that Christ formed the Christian church. We are protestant…not braindead. We do not subscribe to the belief that the Church Christ founded was intended to become what the Catholic Church did in the 1500’s.
There are lots of differences between Lutheranism and Catholicism. Keep in mind that things that onside doens’t view as differences often the other side does, and there are differences in beliefs between Lutheran synods.

I’ll start off with saying that my best advice on how to reseach this better is to actually pick up a copy of the Lutheran Small Catichism and the Augsburg Confession. You might also check out the LCMS synod website as it has most of our doctrine laid out.

Then you can actually compare it to your own church’s doctrine.

I’ll try to write more later, but I have a toddler who just brought me her bib and sippy cup so I have to go make dinner.

Explain this…what is it you are saying here?

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Scott,
A good post. As one of the “separated brethren,” I have no doubt that I am a part of the church established by Jesus. It grieves me that all Christians are not in earthly union although I am certain that once we enter the Church Triumphant all differences will cease to exist.

Amen

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Where does scripture mention an invisible church (comprised of many many self governing churches) - made up of all true" believers?

No where. But that’s what many Lutherans believe (including my family).

 

[Swiss_Guy]

I don’t know about all Catholic’s but I believe in “invisible church” made up of all “true” believers, as well as the visible church.

Invisible Church = Church triumphant in Heaven and the Church suffering the poor soul in purgatory.

Visible Church = church militant = Catholic Faithful here on earth. I do include our separated brethren here. For as the Holy Father has stated they are part of us even if it is an imperfect union.( to paraphrase)

Right; the Church is invisible and visible just as Christ is divine and human.

From what I understand, separated brethren (such as myself) are connected to the “soul” of the Church, but aren’t visibly united and apart of the “body”, and therefore are in an “imperfect communion”.