Lutherans, Mary, and her perpetual virginity

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I’ve recently thought about it this way–
Can you imagine being Joseph and approaching the Mother of God, whose womb, whose entire body has been sanctified by virtue of the Incarnation, for sexual relations? I can’t.
Further, Mary and Joseph and Jesus would have slept in the same room for all of Jesus’ pre-adult, and apparently some of his adult life. That’s the way the vast majority of people lived back then, unless they were of the wealthy elite class–which they obviously weren’t. So again, can’t imagine…

I’ve encountered a number of Protestants who insist that Mary and Joseph had subsequent, natural children, despite these issues and despite the obvious fact that “brothers and sisters” as used at the time were broad terms, encompassing half brothers, cousins, etc. And desipte the fact that from the cross, Jesus gave John to Mary as her son. He wouldn’t have done that if he had living brothers, under Jewish law. Unless we’re supposed to believe that he did have brothers, and they all conveniently died before him, in the last couple of years of his three year ministry.
Those who insist that Mary and Joseph had natural children, after Mary carried the incarnate God in her womb for nine months, birthed and nourished and nurtured him, detract from the glory of Christ. As if His was just a routine Incarnation, and a routine Nativity.
 
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anon10271182 said:
Those who insist that Mary and Joseph had natural children, after Mary carried the incarnate God in her womb for nine months, birthed and nourished and nurtured him, detract from the glory of Christ. As if His was just a routine Incarnation, and a routine Nativity.
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I don’t see how the actions or beliefs of any human being detracts from the glory of Christ. His glory is not dependent on any of us.

While I think claiming that Christ had natural half siblings is eisegesis, accusing those who believe it as detracting from Christ’s glory is polemical
 
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The holy angels obeyed their Queen and, visible only to Her, stood in attendance. In this glorious company She spoke to her spouse saint Joseph, and said to him: "My lord and spouse, it is just that we give praise and glory with all reverence to our God and Creator, who is infinite in goodness and incomprehensible in his judgments. To us, who are so needy, He has manifested his greatness and mercy in choosing us for his service. I acknowledge myself among all creatures as more beholden and indebted to Him than all others, and more than all of them together; for, meriting less. I have received from his liberal hand more than they. At a tender age, being compelled thereto by the force of this truth, which, with the knowledge of the deceitfulness of visible things, his divine light made known to me, I consecrated myself to God by a perpetual vow of chastity in body and soul; his I am and Him I acknowledge as my Spouse and Lord, with fixed resolve to preserve for Him my chastity. I beseech thee, my master, to help me in fulfilling this vow, while in all other things I will be thy servant, willing to work for the comfort of thy life as long as mine shall last. Yield, my spouse, to this resolve and make a like resolve, in order that, offering ourselves as an acceptable sacrifice to our eternal God, He may receive us in the odor of sweetness and bestow on us the eternal goods for which we hope."

The most chaste spouse Joseph, full of interior joy at the words of his heavenly Spouse, answered Her: "My Mistress, in making known to me thy chaste and welcome sentiments, thou hast penetrated and dilated my heart. I have not opened my thoughts to Thee before knowing thy own. I also acknowledge myself under greater obligation to the Lord of creation than other men; for very early He has called me by his true enlightenment to love Him with an upright heart; and I desire Thee to know, Lady, that at the age of twelve years I also made a promise to serve the Most High in perpetual chastity. On this account I now gladly ratify this vow in order not to impede thy own; in the presence of his Majesty I promise to aid Thee, as far as in me lies, in serving Him and loving Him according to thy full desires. I will be, with the divine grace, thy most faithful servant and companion, and I pray Thee accept my chaste love and hold me as thy brother, without ever entertaining any other kind of love, outside the one which Thou owest to God and after God to me. In this conversation the Most High confirmed anew the virtue of chastity in the heart of saint Joseph, and the pure and holy love due to his most holy spouse Mary. This love the saint already had in an eminent degree, and the Lady herself augmented it sweetly, dilating his heart by her most prudent discourse.
 
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