"Lutherans" Why the name?

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No.

But believe it or not there are tons of Catholics and Lutherans receiving communion in mortal sin.

The church wields it’s excommunication sword with care and caution and prudence. Just as they did with Luther 😉
“Oh noes, he doesn’t believe it’s ok to kill heretics and be approved by the Holy Spirit!” Prudence and care indeed.
 
I agree that those matters are between them and God. If only, in discussion, you afforded the same courtesy to non-Catholics who disagree with the teaching of their church body, other than an opportunity to say, “ah ha! See, disunity!”

Be that as it may, politicians are public figures, and the very act of her receiving communion at Mass is a scandal to faithful Catholics. It’s all well and good, if one lives in Chestertonian fairy land on a forum, to say that Rome is somehow monolithic in its unity and its ability to maintain sound doctrine, and another to actually point to it taking place in the real world.
There are lots of examples of censure from Rome.

Unfortunately in the political climate caused by the relativism of Protestantism,far too often, those censured by the church just follow the Protestant model and create their own.

So Rome, whose ultimate concern is the salvation of souls, must use real wisdom and prudence in dealing with discipline.
 
There are lots of examples of censure from Rome.

Unfortunately in the political climate caused by the relativism of Protestantism,far too often, those censured by the church just follow the Protestant model and create their own.

So Rome, whose ultimate concern is the salvation of souls, must use real wisdom and prudence in dealing with discipline.
“When we can’t do things right, it’s the fault of the Protestants! When are we going to stop making relativist Baptists cardinals!”
 
“When we can’t do things right, it’s the fault of the Protestants! When are we going to stop making relativist Baptists cardinals!”
If the shoe fits!

What happens to most divorced and remarried. They go to Protestant church. What happens to censured priest. They go to the independent “catholic” church. On and on.

You have them options to live in sin. Well done.
 
If the shoe fits!

What happens to most divorced and remarried. They go to Protestant church. What happens to censured priest. They go to the independent “catholic” church. On and on.

You have them options to live in sin. Well done.
No, they don’t go to the “Protestant Church,” they get a phone call from the Pope.
 
Oh, it only counts if they’re leaders now? Someone can publicly disagree with Catholic teaching, all the way enacting civil law as a public sign of disobedience, and still be considered faithful enough to receive communion and it doesn’t matter because she’s not a leader?

Come now.

And the ELCA does not endorse sola scriptura LoL.
Your cheap low blow as far as I’m concerned
is pure subjective Codswollop.
(my new word thank you) 🙂
 
“When we can’t do things right, it’s the fault of the Protestants! When are we going to stop making relativist Baptists cardinals!”
Well the Protestants don’t exactly help.
I just read a thread in which a disgruntled Catholic woman
claimed to be in spiritual agony over whether her
husband should have a vasectomy.
Later her agony was very relieved by “sharing
Christian fellowship with happy joyful Protestant
ladies all on birth control more on fire for Christ
than any Catholics she’d met at Church lately”

I pointed out maybe it is because we Catholics proclaim
Christ Crucified and her friends proclaimed Christ risen.

Another Protestant came on and wanted to know what
Christ had to do with it. Hmmm.
 
Your cheap low blow as far as I’m concerned
is pure subjective Codswollop.
(my new word thank you) 🙂
Pffft, Mary lol.

It’s not a low blow at all. Do I think Catholics are happy about people like Pelosi still receiving communion? Of course not. That doesn’t mean your ecclesiastical leadership doesn’t continue to allow it. You can talk about how the authority of the magisterium prevents “Protestant disunity and anarchy” in theory all you want, but if it doesn’t actually happen in reality, what good is it?
 
Pffft, Mary lol.

It’s not a low blow at all. Do I think Catholics are happy about people like Pelosi still receiving communion? Of course not. That doesn’t mean your ecclesiastical leadership doesn’t continue to allow it. You can talk about how the authority of the magisterium prevents “Protestant disunity and anarchy” in theory all you want, but if it doesn’t actually happen in reality, what good is it?
It does happen in reality.

Not allowing remarried Catholics to communion

Here is a list of some PROMINENT ONES recently:

Members of multiple organizations in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska were excommunicated by Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz in March 1996 for promoting positions he deemed “totally incompatible with the Catholic faith”.[41] The organizations include Call to Action, Catholics for a Free Choice, Planned Parenthood, the Hemlock Society, the Freemasons, and the Society of St. Pius X. The Vatican later confirmed the excommunication of Call to Action members in November 2006.[41]

Emmanual Milingo, former archbishop of Lusaka, for consecrating four bishops without the papal mandate. Also excommunicated were those receiving consecration.[42]

The Community of the Lady of All Nations for heretical teachings and beliefs after a six-year investigation. The declaration was announced by the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops on September 12, 2007.[43]

Fr. Dale Fushek (also laicized by Pope Benedict XVI 02/2010) and Fr. Mark Dippre. Former Priests were issued a Decree of Excommunication by Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted for operating “an opposing ecclesial community” in direct disobedience to orders to refrain from public ministry.[44]

Fr. Marek Bozek (since laicized by Pope Benedict XVI), and the lay parish board members of

St. Stanislaus Kostka Church in St. Louis, Missouri in December 2005 were declared guilty of the ecclesiastical crime of schism by then-Archbishop Raymond Leo Burke.[45] Their excommunication was ratified by the Vatican in May 2008. Four of the parish board members have since reconciled with the Church.

The Archbishop of Olinda and Recife in Brazil, Jose Cardoso Sobrinho, said that automatic excommunication had been incurred by the mother and doctors of a nine-year-old girl who had an abortion after being raped and impregnated by her stepfather.[46][47] The National Conference of Bishops of Brazil refuted Sobrinho’s statement: it declared that, in accordance with canon law, the girl’s mother was not in fact excommunicated and that there were no grounds for stating that any of the doctors involved were in fact excommunicated.[48] Disagreement with the Archbishop’s view of the supposed excommunication was expressed also by other bishops.[49][50]

Sr. Margaret McBride, a nun, for allowing an abortion.[51] McBride later reconciled with the church and is no longer living in a state of excommunication.
In October 2012, all the Catholics who promoted the abortion law in Uruguay.[52][53][54] However, the bishops website explained that excommunication would automatically apply, under Canon Law 1398, to anyone carrying out an abortion, and not to lawmakers.[55]

Fr. Roy Bourgeois (also laicized and dismissed from the Maryknoll Fathers) for participating in the ordination of a woman.[56]

Fr. Robert Marrone, by Bishop Richard Gerard Lennon of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Cleveland in Cleveland, Ohio for violating the terms of his leave of absence. Marrone set up a worshipping community (the Community of St. Peter’s) in a vacant warehouse and outside of a Catholic building or church after St. Peter’s Parish in Cleveland was closed (it has since been reopened), in defiance of the bishop .[57]

Fr. Simon Lokodo, The Minister for Ethics and Integrity in Uganda, was excommunicated from the Catholic Church by Pope Benedict XVI[58] when he entered politics in violation of Canon Law 285.3[59][60]

Fr. Roberto Francisco Daniel, known by local community as “Father Beto”, by Bishop Caetano Ferrari, from Bauru, Brazil. Daniel was excommunicated because he refused a direct order from his bishop to apologize for or retract his statement that love was possible between people of the same sex. The priest also said a married person who chose to have an affair, heterosexual or otherwise, would not be unfaithful as long as that person’s spouse allowed it.[61][62][63]

Fr Greg Reynolds of Melbourne, Australia was excommunicated in 2013 for continuing to celebrate Mass when not permitted, advocating the ordination of women, and promoting same-sex marriage.[64]
 
It does happen in reality.
It’s good that the Catholic church is exhibiting pastoral care! 👍

Be even though we Lutherans are a pernicious lot, our Catholic friends can’t lay the fault of Catholic disunity on us - disunity have been a part of the church from Last Supper.
 
It does happen in reality.

Not allowing remarried Catholics to communion

Here is a list of some PROMINENT ONES recently:

Members of multiple organizations in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska were excommunicated by Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz in March 1996 for promoting positions he deemed “totally incompatible with the Catholic faith”.[41] The organizations include Call to Action, Catholics for a Free Choice, Planned Parenthood, the Hemlock Society, the Freemasons, and the Society of St. Pius X. The Vatican later confirmed the excommunication of Call to Action members in November 2006.[41]

Emmanual Milingo, former archbishop of Lusaka, for consecrating four bishops without the papal mandate. Also excommunicated were those receiving consecration.[42]

The Community of the Lady of All Nations for heretical teachings and beliefs after a six-year investigation. The declaration was announced by the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops on September 12, 2007.[43]

Fr. Dale Fushek (also laicized by Pope Benedict XVI 02/2010) and Fr. Mark Dippre. Former Priests were issued a Decree of Excommunication by Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted for operating “an opposing ecclesial community” in direct disobedience to orders to refrain from public ministry.[44]

Fr. Marek Bozek (since laicized by Pope Benedict XVI), and the lay parish board members of

St. Stanislaus Kostka Church in St. Louis, Missouri in December 2005 were declared guilty of the ecclesiastical crime of schism by then-Archbishop Raymond Leo Burke.[45] Their excommunication was ratified by the Vatican in May 2008. Four of the parish board members have since reconciled with the Church.

The Archbishop of Olinda and Recife in Brazil, Jose Cardoso Sobrinho, said that automatic excommunication had been incurred by the mother and doctors of a nine-year-old girl who had an abortion after being raped and impregnated by her stepfather.[46][47] The National Conference of Bishops of Brazil refuted Sobrinho’s statement: it declared that, in accordance with canon law, the girl’s mother was not in fact excommunicated and that there were no grounds for stating that any of the doctors involved were in fact excommunicated.[48] Disagreement with the Archbishop’s view of the supposed excommunication was expressed also by other bishops.[49][50]

Sr. Margaret McBride, a nun, for allowing an abortion.[51] McBride later reconciled with the church and is no longer living in a state of excommunication.
In October 2012, all the Catholics who promoted the abortion law in Uruguay.[52][53][54] However, the bishops website explained that excommunication would automatically apply, under Canon Law 1398, to anyone carrying out an abortion, and not to lawmakers.[55]

Fr. Roy Bourgeois (also laicized and dismissed from the Maryknoll Fathers) for participating in the ordination of a woman.[56]

Fr. Robert Marrone, by Bishop Richard Gerard Lennon of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Cleveland in Cleveland, Ohio for violating the terms of his leave of absence. Marrone set up a worshipping community (the Community of St. Peter’s) in a vacant warehouse and outside of a Catholic building or church after St. Peter’s Parish in Cleveland was closed (it has since been reopened), in defiance of the bishop .[57]

Fr. Simon Lokodo, The Minister for Ethics and Integrity in Uganda, was excommunicated from the Catholic Church by Pope Benedict XVI[58] when he entered politics in violation of Canon Law 285.3[59][60]

Fr. Roberto Francisco Daniel, known by local community as “Father Beto”, by Bishop Caetano Ferrari, from Bauru, Brazil. Daniel was excommunicated because he refused a direct order from his bishop to apologize for or retract his statement that love was possible between people of the same sex. The priest also said a married person who chose to have an affair, heterosexual or otherwise, would not be unfaithful as long as that person’s spouse allowed it.[61][62][63]

Fr Greg Reynolds of Melbourne, Australia was excommunicated in 2013 for continuing to celebrate Mass when not permitted, advocating the ordination of women, and promoting same-sex marriage.[64]
This list does not answer the question.

With the exception of the 9-year-old girl’s rape (which seems to have been overturned anyway), I count zero laypersons – which brings us back to Per Crucem’s point (I hope he’ll forgive me for the paraphrase):

It only seems to count if the offender is a leader in the Roman Catholic hierarchy. Laypersons can publicly disagree with Catholic teaching, all the way enacting civil law as a public sign of disobedience (Pelosi, Kerry, et al.), and still be considered faithful enough to receive communion.
 
This list does not answer the question.

With the exception of the 9-year-old girl’s rape (which seems to have been overturned anyway), I count zero laypersons – which brings us back to Per Crucem’s point (I hope he’ll forgive me for the paraphrase):

It only seems to count if the offender is a leader in the Roman Catholic hierarchy. Laypersons can publicly disagree with Catholic teaching, all the way enacting civil law as a public sign of disobedience (Pelosi, Kerry, et al.), and still be considered faithful enough to receive communion.
How does your church deal with lay people and their personal opinions?

Or better yet how do they deal with clergy that hold heterodox views? They just go to or form a new Lutheran group right? Which Lutheran group is “The real Lutherans” the one that you belong to right!

Are you calling for an inquisition?!!!
 
Pffft, Mary lol.

It’s not a low blow at all. Do I think Catholics are happy about people like Pelosi still receiving communion? Of course not. That doesn’t mean your ecclesiastical leadership doesn’t continue to allow it. You can talk about how the authority of the magisterium prevents “Protestant disunity and anarchy” in theory all you want, but if it doesn’t actually happen in reality, what good is it?
Oh it is a low blow yes. Simply because Pelosi’s and
Biden’s foolishness does not extend itself to giving
themselves the authority to run off, lease a building,
put a church sign up front proclaiming they have
the true word of God and adding a 100 people to
their pews and passing a basket, does it?
No these politicians are merely simple sinners in
the Garden of Washington.
THAT is the difference between the authority of
the Magesterium and the huge array of different
Protestant theologies and churches.

In all fairness I will concede that the Catholic Church
is and always has experienced some of that Protestant
contrariness itself- most obviously beginning with
Luther.
But these days Catholics have taken the behavior
of the Protestant world to heart and are doing the
same thing- most recently in Bend, Or when a
priest had a falling out with his Bishop over
a reassignment (granted Merrill, Or is a come down from
Bend but still). He took off, leased a odd fellows hall
and along with a good many supportive parishioners
established the Evangelical Catholic Church of Bend.
He completed the Protestant tendency but adding
doctrinal practices completely at odds with Roman
Church but still the parishioners consider themselves
part of the Church they rejected. A very Protestant
thing to do, no?
We now have along the same lines the American Catholic,
the United Catholic with the Evangelical Catholic Churches
lol all out of communion with Rome.
So yeah the Roman Church has some of the chaos
of the Protestant.

But that does not undermine the authority or the
usefulness of the Magesterium now does it?
Anymore than God’d authority or usefulness is
dependent on whether you agree with Him.
He doesn’t need your agreement- but you need His,
correct?
 
Oh it is a low blow yes. Simply because Pelosi’s and
Biden’s foolishness does not extend itself to giving
themselves the authority to run off, lease a building,
put a church sign up front proclaiming they have
the true word of God and adding a 100 people to
their pews and passing a basket, does it?
No, just enables them to pass laws that lead to the destruction of more innocent human beings and the further profanation of marriage, without any ecclesiastical discipline or reason to change their behavior and repent.

But what really matters is that they can’t put up a church sign.
No these politicians are merely simple sinners in
the Garden of Washington.
THAT is the difference between the authority of
the Magesterium and the huge array of different
Protestant theologies and churches.
Yeah…the difference being in one, the Body and Blood of Christ can continue to be profaned because they don’t have “father” or “catechist” in their title. And in the other, they can’t receive the Lord’s Supper.
In all fairness I will concede that the Catholic Church
is and always has experienced some of that Protestant
contrariness itself- most obviously beginning with
Luther.
But these days Catholics have taken the behavior
of the Protestant world to heart and are doing the
same thing- most recently in Bend, Or when a
priest had a falling out with his Bishop over
a reassignment (granted Merrill, Or is a come down from
Bend but still). He took off, leased a odd fellows hall
and along with a good many supportive parishioners
established the Evangelical Catholic Church of Bend.
He completed the Protestant tendency but adding
doctrinal practices completely at odds with Roman
Church but still the parishioners consider themselves
part of the Church they rejected. A very Protestant
thing to do, no?
We now have along the same lines the American Catholic,
the United Catholic with the Evangelical Catholic Churches
lol all out of communion with Rome.
So yeah the Roman Church has some of the chaos
of the Protestant.
Hillarious. Go tell Cardinal McKerrick he’s too influenced by Methodists and non-denominational evangelicals. The logical lengths that are present here are too stretched to really respond to. You’re right that a modern spirit has invaded all churches. The source of this is not Protestantism, as much as you want it to be, to suit your apologetic argument. Rather, it’s sin, postmodernism, etc.
But that does not undermine the authority or the
usefulness of the Magesterium now does it?
Anymore than God’d authority or usefulness is
dependent on whether you agree with Him.
He doesn’t need your agreement- but you need His,
correct?
Except that God will actually deal with human disobedience to His law. And yes, it does. If human civil law were not enforced by the authorities, could they be said to have any authority at all?
 
I never thought I’d see Lutherans advocating for the Inquisition!!

Is the sky falling!
 
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