Lying vs. Not forgiving?

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I adore the Catholic Church, and all it’s teachings, but I always, always struggle with forgiveness, it is my largest fault (I suppose all of us have one…), but there are times (such as with my brother, he is, and always has been HORRIBLE to me, our hate stems much stronger then common ‘brotherly hate’, it is a sincere hate, and thats something you must understand) that I simply can’t forgive them. Mind you, he doesn’t actually ever say sorry, but I still can’t forgive him. And when it flat out came down to it… I faced myself asking this question, is it better to lie to everyone, God, and myself and “say” I forgive him, (because I can’t actually make myself forgive him, no matter how hard I try) or is it better to just be honest and say I can’t forgive him. Asking my Godmother, she said that just saying you forgive him is the start to actually forging him, asking my Godfather, he said that forgivness is a virtue, he elaborated that it was an important virtue, but he still said none the less it’s a virtue, whereas lying is a sin. Personally, I don’t know where I stand on this, I think both are just as bad, Christ even said “forgive the sinners, for they know not what they do”, and honestly, I’d love to just be able to forgive him (and not only my brother, but most any other person who says something extraordinarily bad) but I find I cant make myself. I further know that inorder to be forgiven yourself by God,you must be forgiving. I would love to know your opinion/thoughts on the matter.

Thank you and God Bless.
 
Forgiving SOME people is very, very, very, VERY difficult to do.
Next to impossible, in fact.
Do not be too hard on yourself for it.
But DO try to forgive him.
Hint: you WILL NOT be able to do so in your own strength.
You need an extraordinary amount of the Grace of God to be able to do it.
Pray for that grace. Ask God for it. Ask Mary and the
Saints to ask God for it, for you.
And pray the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy to ask for that grace, too.
God bless you!!!
Jaypeeto4
 
I had a conversation with my priest on this very topic. He gave me the following tips.

First, acknowledge you are hurt/upset, etc.
Second, pray for the ability to forgive
Third, pray for the person you wish to forgive.

The priest said the third step was very important. It can just be as simple as “God please watch over, Jill.” After time you might wish to expand to a Hail Mary or Our Father or some other prayer.

The priest told me I didn’t have to know how to forgive I just had to take my willingness to try to forgive to God and let him help me do the rest.

It wasn’t easy but I have to say after a few weeks of doing this I could think of the person without seeing red.

I hope this helps. Good luck!

P.S. I wouldn’t lie, to God or anyone else. If someone asks you if you forgave your brother just say “I’m working on it” or “I’m doing my best”
 
Hi StGeorge,

You are in a tough situation and trying to adopt a strict interpretation of Our Lord’s words is not the way to go. I experienced the same thing many many years back and found that the moment I forgave, a new oppurtunity for a new fight/argument unfolded. The problem isn’t that we don’t know how to forgive, as much as it is a problem with the other person not recognising that their actions are causing division. That is provided that you are the innocent party involved in the situation.

My advice, try and speak to your brother and show your feelings. Explain what the impacts are to yourself and the consequences they have on your relationship with him. Make sure the focus isn’t on him but yourself. Be careful not to lay complete blame on him, sometimes it isn’t that the other person is doing anything wrong, but that we react negatively to their actions. If you arrive at a compromise, it would be good. If however you don’t, respect your brother for who he is and accept the fact that you can’t change him. Use the oppurtunity to change yourself, as it helps to be patient and tolerant of things which we normally wouldn’t. You can also limit your interaction with him to avoid conflict and then he will start wondering and questioning the way he has treated you, once he notices your abscence. Accompany all that with prayer and you will be fine. 🙂

I’ll keep you in my prayers.
 
First, realize that whether you forgive somebody has NOTHING to do with whether that person “deserves” it.

Perhaps there are different shades of meaning of the word “forgiveness,” but the reason one forgives is not that another person “earns” forgiveness, but because unforgiveness eats away at the heart of the one holding a grudge.

If we only were to forgive those who “deserve” forgiveness, what kind of a challenge is that? We wouldn’t need Jesus to show us an example.

For example, let’s look at “forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” Those people did zero to “earn” forgiveness. They were torturing and killing an innocent man in cold blood. They didn’t come to the cross just before Jesus uttered those words and say, “Oh Jesus, we have realized we’ve done a terrible thing … can you see it to forgive us?”

If my brother treats me horribly, than I am still bound to “forgive” him in that I cannot wish him harm or wish he goes to hell because of what he did. I cannot go around “savoring” the idea that “he will get his” someday. Truth be told, I doubt very many people who do wrong ever even acknowledge the wrong, much less ask forgiveness. But our harmful desires prevent us from receiving the gift of peace the Christ came to give us.

Jesus gave us His peace, but not as the world gives. What does that mean? The world can only give us peace by giving us favorable conditions. By definition, then, that peace is “conditional” and lasts only as long as the conditions. The peace Jesus gives does not depend on conditions, and therefore outlasts any good conditions and is in fact, eternal.

If our peace depended on others “coming clean” for us to be able to have peace ourselves, then we would never receive this gift and Christ came here for nothing. If we need somebody to come groveling to us so we can feel right about it, then we have refused His gift and if we consider ourselves Christians and do not forgive we are putting a Halloween mask on Jesus.

That doesn’t mean IMO that we are obligated to let others walk over us. I can say, “I dislike that person and wish to avoid him,” or even, “if that person strikes me one more time I’m going to strike back (turning the other cheek being a slightly different issue IMO)” or even “if that guy needs to be killed to quit killing others, than so be it.” It just means that if we seethe with anger over others’ trespasses, than WE are the ones who suffer. Chances are the people who have wronged us are perfectly at peace with having done so, so our grudges don’t hurt them a bit.

No we don’t have to go say, “I forgive you” to their faces in such a way as to convey nothing is wrong. It’s about what’s in our hearts. We may or may not ever get a chance to actually tell them how hurt we are or reconcile with them, but if we wish them to hell, then we are basically putting ourselves into hell on earth.

Much more to say on this, but I’m glad you brought it up. I’ll leave it at that because I tend to get rather long-winded plus I have quite a bit to do to work on getting Mom’s house cleaned out more before trash and recycling people come by today … gonna move her to Kansas with me it seems. But I will check back here.

One way I have found to “forgive” somebody is to imagine their going before God and trying to answer, “why did you do to my son Alan?” “Why didn’t you listen to him when he was telling you the truth I revealed to him? What possible excuse did you have to steal from him; slander him; etc.?” Then I imagine God sending wolves to tear that person from limb to limb and sometimes I feel a bit of satisfaction, but then followed by pity because you know they can’t explain what they’ve done to God, and God just might do that.

If I wait until everybody who has ever wronged me comes and says, “Alan, I see how wrong I was in doing what I did. Can you see it in your heart to forgive me?” then I may as well accept I will never be able to have the peace of Christ as long as I live, because frankly that’s never going to happen.

Alan
 
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