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Pope [Bl.] John Paul II, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher were working together to bring down the Soviet Union … they freed hundreds of millions of people from slavery under Communism.

The work of Pope [Bl.] John Paul II led to the assassination attempt on his life.

Read “Victory” by Peter Schweizer.

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I am a Brit, and I lived through the Miner’s Strike and was politically aware during the time.

The miner’s strike is a difficult subject for many people. The Coal industry in the UK was rapidly approaching its last legs at the time of the Strike and the Miners’ Union at the time was led by a far-left neo-Communist firebrand named Arthur Scargill who saw what he thought was an opportunity to bring down a right wing government by calling an all-out strike of the coal industry and threatening to starve the country of vital fuel supplies for the power generating industry. It was his intention to re-enact the blackouts of the 1970s when the NUM (National Union of Miners) successfully forced concessions out of earlier governments. He miscalculated though, because coal was more readily available as imports and, indeed, was cheaper to obtain from abroad. Therefore the lights stayed on, and the miners’ strike lasted for a year or so, during which time the miners’ families practically starved. It happened that the areas in which the strike took place were, by and large, populated by working class people who would never have voted for Thatcher’s government anyway, therefore it played out as a class-war struggle for hearts and minds and the people who suffered, led by Scargill who utterly refused to budge or compromise, were left with an abiding hatred of the Thatcher government. To this day she is still spoken of in those areas with contempt.

After about a year or so of attrition, the strike eventually withered and the miners went back to work, but by this time some mines had degraded to the extent that their closures, which had already been on the cards, were brought forward. Within a few years, the British coal industry, which was always running uneconomically compared to cheaper imports from abroad, practically ceased to exist. The people of the coal mining areas blamed Thatcher’s government and the Conservative Party for this, although more dispassionate observers would probably suggest that with or without her, the industry would not have survived for much longer. Mines were being exhausted, open cast mining from elsewhere in the world produced far more coal at far cheaper prices, and the era of deep mined coal in the British Isles was coming to a close anyway. The strike and the hardship it caused were mainly down to political manoeuvrings by hard-left activists, but their supporters - or rather their victims - never really cottoned on to this.

The Strike became a political totem for the Left, and Thatcher became their Bogey(wo)man. History will recount a more balanced tale though. It wasn’t all Thatcher’s fault - although there were policy mis-steps, especially in the policing of pro-Strike demonstrations - but by and large, the fault mainly lies with a radical left-wing union seeking a fight with a government that was sufficiently sure of its position that it simply wouldn’t blink. That was one of Margaret Thatcher’s major strengths: that she was practically unblackmailable. In the end, that inability to compromise was eventually her downfall when, as with most long term politicians, hubris came knocking at her door. But overall, she was a titan of a politician, the like of which the world is unlikely to see again.
Well done, Dex. 👍
 
From Zenit:
Francis Remembers Thatcher’s Promotion of Freedom

Pope Francis says he is appreciative of the Christian values that underpinned Margaret Thatcher’s commitment to service and promotion of freedom.

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“His Holiness Pope Francis was saddened to learn of the death of Baroness Margaret Thatcher,” the papal message stated. “He recalls with appreciation the Christian values which underpinned her commitment to public service and to the promotion of freedom among the family of nations. Entrusting her soul to the mercy of God, and assuring her family and the British people of a remembrance in his prayers, the Holy Father invokes upon all whose lives she touched God’s abundant blessings.”

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I lived through the coal miners strikes in Britain in the 70’s, and the high unemployment (“Labour Isn’t Working” was her famous campaign slogan), and then the pit closures.

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She saw that a whole industry was defunct and she grasped the nettle and closed the pits - but in doing so she destroyed communities throughout Britain, anbd they fought back but lost:

And she destroyed the unions at the same time.

She was tough on the IRA:

She was tough in the Falklands War -she gave the Argies some Bargy, and us Brits a bit of pride back:
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She was tough against communism - and this is how she is spoken of in Russia today:
“Lady Thatcher, fearless champion of liberty, stood up for captive nations, helped free world win the Cold War,” tweeted Radoslaw Sikorski, Poland’s foreign minister. The former president of the Czech Republic, Vaclav Klaus said: “Thatcher was one of the greatest politicians of our time. In the Czech Republic she was our hero.”
“Margaret Thatcher was an outstanding politician,” said Dmitri Medvedev, the Russian Prime Minister. “Her political views invited varied opinions but her political will commanded respect.”
She definitely commanded respect. She changed Britain and the world. I admired her at certain times and at other times despised her. Nevertheless I have prayed for the repose of her soul throughout the day, and if nothing else she DID help bring down the Soviet Union. However the economic meltdown we all went through recently is I think the bastard child of her policies too.

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May Baroness Thatcher rest in peace.

She was a woman of indomitable courage, both privately and publically. Whatever one thinks of her policies, and how they impacted on mining communities for example, undoubtedly she lifted the country well and truly out of the 1970s winter of discontent and for the first time after decades of post-war decline and loss of the empire put the “Great” back into Britain.

Britain was a better country, economically as well as socially in many respects, post-Thatcher than it was pre-Thatcher.

For that, as well as her exemplary role in opposing socialism at home and communism abroad, welded to a political savvy which enabled her to work with Communist leaders such as Gorbachev and the Chinese, I can only but applaud her.

It could be argued that her privatisation of industry went too far. An extreme reaction to an extreme prior state of nationalization under the post-war consensus brought about by Attlee’s welfare state, perhaps? The Poll Tax was an ill-advised policy, I do not sufficiently understand the sense behind it.

I supported her foreign policy on the Falklands completely though.

In my own family, my father was strongly anti-Thatcher, as was his father, while my mother’s family were strongly pro-Thatcher.

She leaves a mixed legacy but for me she was a woman of high principles who abided by her convictions unlike so many weak-willed political leaders today.

I hold nothing but goodwill towards this courageous political titan on the world stage.

God bless her soul and may God receive her soul.

And for the record:

dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20130408-dmn-editorial-margaret-thatcher-a-true-and-tireless-friend-of-freedom.ece
Three years after she left office, Mrs. Thatcher attended mass at a Catholic church in Poland. The priest told the congregation that during the years the Soviets cast the shadow of death over their land, the clearest voice of all the foreigners who stood up for them, he said, belonged to Margaret Thatcher. In the simple people of that Polish parish, Mrs. Thatcher recalled, she saw the embodiment of all the aspirations to liberty and the irrepressible dignity of the individual human person, for which she’d fought all her years in public service.
Amen to that I say! 👍
 
She fought against Socialists and Communists wherever she found them. May God bless her. And may she rest in peace.
 
This is a balancing act as far as I see it, Internationally, Great Britain’s status rose, she put the “Great back into Great Britain” as I have read, really, the American/Anglo alliance is great, led the intervention in the Former Yugoslavia. But domestically in the UK, there does seem to be discontent. Unfortunate in that.
 
She was great except she supported legalized abortion and promoted contraception to fights AIDS. As far as I can tell, these facts about her are ignored because she opposed communism and unions and lowered taxes like a good “conservative”.
 
She was great except she supported legalized abortion and promoted contraception to fights AIDS. As far as I can tell, these facts about her are ignored because she opposed communism and unions and lowered taxes like a good “conservative”.
No, I don’t think it is “ignored”, I think we in the USA know her overwhelmingly through what she did in the international arena and not domestic issues, not the condescending “like a good “conservative”” bit.
 
In fact, we know a Triumvirate, Pope John Paul II, President Reagan and Prime Minister Thatcher were instrumental in bringing Communism down. From what I know, I don’t even know if I agree with her Unions bit. Would really need to read up on that. It created hardship domestically apparently, Great Britain though regained stature as an international power.
 
No, I don’t think it is “ignored”,
She voted throughout her parlimentary years in favor of liberal abortion laws and safer sex campaigns. She was part of the culture of death!

She is no better than the Clintons IMO however I doubt you would say such tremendous things about them when they die.
 
She voted for legalized abortion. She is no better than the Clintons IMO however I doubt you would say such tremendous things about them when they die.
Were the Clintons instrumental in bringing down the Iron Curtain and Atheistic Communism?? No. Do most of us know the personal views of Thatcher on issues effecting England proper? The UK? No.

In this thread, books are listed that were written about all 3, Reagan, Thatcher and Pope John Paul II.

Winston Churchill may have had some quirks I would not agree with, he also led a nation to defeat Nazism.
 
She voted throughout her parlimentary years in favor of liberal abortion laws and safer sex campaigns. She was part of the culture of death!

She is no better than the Clintons IMO however I doubt you would say such tremendous things about them when they die.
If the Clintons did tremendous things then perhaps I’d mention them. However, I can’t think of any. One common sense thing Bill Clinton did was sign welfare reform - which he did to get re-elected, not because he was conservative. But Thatcher conspired with Reagan and the Pope to help bring down communism in Europe. I don’t remember the Pope refusing her help because she voted for safe sex policies.

Ishii
 
Were the Clintons instrumental in bringing down the Iron Curtain and Atheistic Communism?? No. Do most of us know the personal views of Thatcher on issues effecting England proper? The UK? No.
Her personal views don’t matter as much as her actions which nullified any good she did by enabling the murder of unborn children by voting and pubically supporting abortion and safe sex campaigns her entire career. May God have mercy on her soul.
 
Her personal views don’t matter as much as her actions which nullified any good she did by enabling the murder of unborn children by voting and pubically supporting abortion and safe sex campaigns her entire career. May God have mercy on her soul.
Didn’t Pope John Paul 2 work with her and Reagan to achieve mutual goals? How do you know which of her actions nullified her other actions? Do you have a window into her soul? Was the Pope wrong to work with her?

Ishii
 
Was the Pope wrong to work with her?
So because the pope worked with her abortion and contraception are ok? JPII met with Fidel Castro, does that make him a good guy?

I see a double standard here based entirely on political lines. Somehow the Clinton’s are evil incarnate and Thatcher was a hero despite the fact they both supported and expanded intrinsic evils like abortion and contraception.
 
No one person is individually responsible for the enabling of Abortion in the UK, save perhaps in the exception of David Steel, the former Liberal Party politician who introduced the Bill in Parliament to enact the approval of Abortion. Whereas the Labour Party have tended towards ‘whipped’ (compulsory) votes along party lines on this subject, the Conservative Party has always treated it as a matter of individual conscience.

It would be wrong to place the blame for Abortion at Margaret Thatcher’s door. If she voted in favour of it (and I don’t have the relevant facts to hand) then that is, of course, reprehensible, but her contribution to the life and history of the UK has to be taken in its totality. She was also not a Catholic therefore she would not have been expected to hold the same outlook on things as we would.

While acknowledging it, I am not prepared to denigrate her memory on this basis alone: the sum total of all the other things she did that were necessary for the country need to be taken into account, and considering the millions of lives that were vastly improved, especially in the USSR and Warsaw Pact countries, as a result of her international policies, I have to be much more inclined to acknowledge the vast amount of good that she did.
 
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