Maggie Thatcher passes

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LilyM said:
What would one expect him to say? That she did many things wrong? Of course one doesn’t speak ill of the dead in official statements.
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No, of course not. But the wording wouldn’t have included the references to her work underpinning Christian values if the Vatican felt this was not the case.
 
liturgyluver said:
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion about Mrs Thatcher but I, perhaps, should remind you that it is one not shared by our Pope!:

His Holiness Pope Francis was saddened to learn of the death of Baroness Margaret Thatcher. He recalls with appreciation the Christian values which underpinned her commitment to public service and to the promotion of freedom among the family of nations. Entrusting her soul to the mercy of God, and assuring her family and the British people of a remembrance in his prayers, the Holy Father invokes upon all whose lives she touched God’s abundant blessings.
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That is what may be referred to as the language of diplomacy , hardly a forthright expression of opinion regarding her policies , and certainly not an endorsement of her government’s legislation which amended the abortion laws to make it legal for abortions to be carried out up to full term for disabilty , life of the mother and health of the mother . :mad:
 
Margaret Thatcher in my opinion was a tyrant that didn’t listen to know one. She divided communities as well as social class. Thousands lost their jobs and lively hood and people are still suffering from her policies today. Many of those who agreed with her were either the rich, those not of this country, or those too young to remember her. Saying this, it sickens me to hear of celebrations regarding her death. May God forgive me for being so blunt but it truly hurts me that she is given so much attention when she hurt so many communities up and down the country alas may she rest in peace.
 
petronus said:
Yes , but Pope John Paul II did go to Buckingham Palace to visit Queen Elizabeth , the Head of State during this non-state visit . :confused:
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In her capacity of supreme Govenor and a neutrall figure in terms of the war.
 
petronus said:
That is what may be referred to as the language of diplomacy , hardly a forthright expression of opinion regarding her policies , and certainly not an endorsement of her government’s legislation which amended the abortion laws to make it legal for abortions to be carried out up to full term for disabilty , life of the mother and health of the mother . :mad:
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One reads what one wants from such statements. I hope your madness abates soon.
 
liturgyluver said:
One reads what one wants from such statements. I hope your madness abates soon.
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Yes , you do read what you want from such statements .

Read your post #134 . You have chosen to read from the Pope’s statement that my opinion is not one shared by Pope Francis .

Read the posts I have posted and tell me what “my opinion” is . Then show how “my opinion” is not one shared by Pope Francis .

Also read your post #141 . I hope your poor spelling abates soon , or are you getting a little rattled ? Perhaps you would prefer that the Thatcher government’s record on abortion was swept under the carpet . Not while I’m around poor chap !
 
petronus said:
Yes , you do read what you want from such statements .

Read your post #134 . You have chosen to read from the Pope’s statement that my opinion is not one shared by Pope Francis .

Read the posts I have posted and tell me what “my opinion” is . Then show how “my opinion” is not one shared by Pope Francis .

Also read your post #141 . I hope your poor spelling abates soon , or are you getting a little rattled ? Perhaps you would prefer that the Thatcher government’s record on abortion was swept under the carpet . Not while I’m around poor chap !
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This is obviously a personal crusade for you. If it makes you feel better so be it, but I think it might be better to get a sense of perspective judging by how often you use the mad icon. I won’t hold my breath in thinking that the the fruits of your effort won’t exactly tax many people. Take care, old bean!
 
Just some general observations:

There is a lot of partisanship it seems in England but we in the USA have some or a lot of that as well.

It’s still around but very minor now but in the old days, the Hooliganism of the '80s reflected that divisiveness.

There is a lot of give and take if you ever read it between the Scots and English over there.

The figure who manages the England National Soccer Football team, 3 Lions is liable to become a “Hate Figure” if the manager does not do well, “Hate Figure” were the words used exactly by Sven Erikkson, the former Gaffer.

So, a lot of what is being reported on in the news seems to go with the above. I’m not being critical in saying this really, it just seems the way it is.

I think English society at times can be too “politically correct” but again, we have quite a bit of that as well.
 
I met Mrs. Thatcher at a book signing in Washington, DC. I consider it a rare honor and privilege. May she rest in peace!
 
For at least 30 years I’ve noticed a definite correlation between hating Margaret Thatcher and holding extreme left wing views. And if you’ll note, I said hating, not simply disagreeing with.
 
pepipop said:
Her labeling of Nelson Mandela as the leader of a typical terrorist organisation and pursuing a policy of constructive engagement with the white minority SA government, whilst most of the rest of the world imposed economic sanctions against apartheid - was no doubt, in part, because Britain was SA’s principal trading partner and no doubt it wouldn’t want justice to stand in the way of making ‘filthy lucre.’
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True, a lot choose to forget these facts above, rose coloured glasses I’m afraid ! 👍

Of-course NOW …Nelson Mandela is a great person to be associated with…
 
liturgyluver said:
The Falkland’s War was actually in 1982 and preceeded the 1983 General Election where she won her second term. She won her third term in 1987. And John Major won again for the Conservatives in 2002.
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The war helped her get elected 3 times, the talk of that war went on for ages after and still goes on…
 
I detested her. There would be little point trying to explain why. Anyone who would understand why I detested her doesn’t need me to explain. Anyone who doesn’t never would no matter what I would say.

I will say this much. It’s unusual for me to have strong feelings of this nature towards anyone. In fact, I have never in my life felt so strongly about anyone in such a negative way. The only reason I posted this is to let others know she was not everyone’s icon, and there are very valid reasons why she was not. As such, not all of us feel is sad and a great loss. We are simply not capable of feeling like that.
 
Seamus_L said:
For at least 30 years I’ve noticed a definite correlation between hating Margaret Thatcher and holding extreme left wing views. And if you’ll note, I said hating, not simply disagreeing with.
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I can’t let this comment go unanswered despite trying to be charitable at least until she’s buried. I’m no extremist but I (insert acceptable Catholic equivalent of “hated”) her. I wish the Anarchists and others would show some restraint rather than giving her admirers more reason to make her out to be some kind of icon of freedom. May God forgive her.
 
minkymurph said:
I detested her. There would be little point trying to explain why. Anyone who would understand why I detested her doesn’t need me to explain. Anyone who doesn’t never would no matter what I would say.

I will say this much. It’s unusual for me to have strong feelings of this nature towards anyone. In fact, I have never in my life felt so strongly about anyone in such a negative way. The only reason I posted this is to let others know she was not everyone’s icon, and there are very valid reasons why she was not. As such, not all of us feel is sad and a great loss. We are simply not capable of feeling like that.
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How about explaining to somebody who doesn’t really know who she was or what thibgs she did, (other than her position) like myself?
 
liturgyluver said:
This is obviously a personal crusade for you.!
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And it isn’t a personal crusade for you ? :hmmm:

Regarding my post # 144 , I note your failure to back up your comments by using the words of my posts to justify what you have said about me . :confused:

How do you justify the Thatcher government’s legislation which amended the abortion laws to permit abortion to full term for the disability of the baby , for the life of the mother and for the health of the mother ?

Now that is a simple question , and I think that someone with the naivety of P. G. Wodehouse would be able to answer it quite easily , old fellow . :rolleyes:
 
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