Mainstream vs. outsiders: Debate highlights GOP's 2 groups

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The debate “questions” were a joke, the talking heads were clearly snarky, smirky and their agenda was hanging out all over the place. Asking a “question” and then not allowing the person to respond was the norm, with the moderator yelling over the respondent as necessary to “prove their own point”. I recorded it to eliminate all the media hype. Fast forwarding thru it, I was struck by the amusing scowls and smirks on the commentators faces. Hilarious!
Ted Cruz was brilliant, I like Rubio, Carson and Trump, all for the same reason: common sense and clear statements. Whatever happened to reporters sticking to "who, what when why where and how and letting the viewers/ readers discern for themselves? We have no more reporters, we have media people already bent into their idealogical positions competing with the candidates. Honestly, you would think they are running for office too!! They have plenty of their own opinions and don’t mind shouting them out to silence the actual debaters.
 
Missed the last hour, but from what I saw Cruz sounded the best. Trump was more subdued again, but good. Fiorina, to me at least sounded better than last time and made some good arguments against big government. I thought Bush clearly had the better of the argument with Rubio over his missing votes, but the audience seemed to disagree.
 
Seamus_L said:
Missed the last hour, but from what I saw Cruz sounded the best. Trump was more subdued again, but good. Fiorina, to me at least sounded better than last time and made some good arguments against big government. I thought Bush clearly had the better of the argument with Rubio over his missing votes, but the audience seemed to disagree.
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Cruz let the moderators have it (and rightfully so)

realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/28/cruz_rips_press_at_cnbc_debate_this_debate_illustrates_why_we_can_not_trust_the_media.html
 
I watched parts of the debate on the BBC and my oh my did Rubio come into his own. He absolutely trounced his mentor Jeb Bush. It was humiliating watching an older man attempt to leather into his own youthful protigee and fail miserably. Rubio’s riposte just made it look like Bush was a jealous, frightened older man trying to prevent his disciple-come-rival from eclipsing him entirely. Very embarrassing, it looks he achieved the very thing he so feared. His PR people must be working longer hours today, I’ll bet. He will need damage limitation.

Got to say, although Bush seems like a pleasant guy I sort of enjoyed watching such a high-profile establishment ‘name’ getting his buttocks whipped off him by an outrageously smart, youthful looking contender. I do also feel an ounce of sympathy, as much as I can muster for a member of the Bush dynasty. If only the Clinton dynasty could receive similar comeuppance.

Trump was strangely quiet. Methinks his campaign is losing steam. He isn’t even leading in the polls anymore, Carson having replaced him. IMHO without his ‘Trump Show’ antics, he is toast as far as the nomination is concerned.

My money has been on Rubio the whole way and still is. I don’t think he’s too young, he just has good genes and so looks younger than his years but that is definitely no bad thing if Republicans want to attract young voters. Can Hillary Clinton ever seriously hope to connect with the youth of America? It depends who she is up against. If it’s Rubio, I’d say she’s in for some serious complications.

Rubio was the man of the moment in this debate.
 
I thought it was strange that Rubio received such cheers, when regarding his missing Senate votes, answered something along the lines that McCain. Kerry, Obama all did it.
 
What Senator Marco Rubio seemed to be saying was:

President Obama or Kerry missed many votes in the Senate, 60-70% per President Obama and that would not be mentioned in the press and for example, the President would get the endorsement of the same newspaper that criticizes Rubio.
 
Marco Rubio did a really good job in my opinion. If I vote in the primary, it will likely be for him.
 
Jeanne_S said:
I really like Ted Cruz.He is a true Constitutionlist.He more than showed he can hold his own against the typically and predictable biased media.I would like him to really surge in the polls.Rubio is good as well.IMO Cruz,Rubio,Trump,Fiorina and even Christie has some really good breakout moments.
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Christie is too low in the pecking order now I should think. Fiorina is poised, steady, articulate and sophisticated but I’m not convinced of her chances of actually getting the nomination. Trump just makes me want to puke. Cruz is also and viable contender, however.

I predict that the nomination will in the end be contested between Cruz and Rubio.
 
Many of the candidates came across as petulant and whiny. They are campaigning for the most powerful position in the world, and they can’t handle a few tough questions in a debate? Their attempt to deflect questions by blaming the media fell woefully flat.
 
Mulligan2 said:
Many of the candidates came across as petulant and whiny. They are campaigning for the most powerful position in the world, and they can’t handle a few tough questions in a debate? Their attempt to deflect questions by blaming the media fell woefully flat.
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:rolleyes:Whatevehah:rolleyes:
 
Mulligan2 said:
Many of the candidates came across as petulant and whiny. They are campaigning for the most powerful position in the world, and they can’t handle a few tough questions in a debate? Their attempt to deflect questions by blaming the media fell woefully flat.
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It’s a tactic. Some regard it as a shrewd means of deflecting unwanted questions. It’s theatre, not reality. Politics is like any job interview, it’s just that your ultimate interviewers are the electorate whom you need to win over.
 
I watched the entire debate, but didn’t see a clear winner.

I can’t stand Cruz, but liked his attack on the moderators for their stupid questions.

Carson began having trouble answering the first questions. He presented himself as disconnected to how government works. Also, his idea for people to have health savings accounts is flawed and most people don’t have the funds to cover the cost of buying insurance up front.

I thought I would’ve liked Rubio more, but his positions are a threat to senior citizens and would cost him in the GE if he were to win the nomination.

Kasich came across as a self-serving cheer leader, telling us what a wonderful job he has done in Ohio. The problem is, he used his time cheer leading instead of answering the question.

Bush, he looks like he’s running out of some commitment to someone other than himself.

Trump controlled himself, but his ego is the size of the national debt.

I actually liked Rand Paul probably a little better than the rest, but Christie also came across directly and explained the ruse that is presented by the media.

In all, I’m disappointed there was no clear winner.

Jim
 
No, compare it to the Democratic party debate and yes, it just seems what we are talking about is discriminatory acts by the media, prop up the Democrats, demean Republicans.

A point here, was made and some seemed to take pleasure at the cruel dirty trick played on Rick Santorum per google; because Santorum was for traditional marriage but hey look, so were, on record, Clinton and Obama.

So obviously, we are talking about a double-standard.

And when even a known leftist publication such as Think Progress called out CNBC on this as posted in point 21: thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/28/3717186/cnbc-debate-moderators-yelling/ Of course, perhaps some don’t read posts and just look for an excuse to degrade others.

Those using uncharitable language such as “whiny”, really should look and see if they are so biased, they don’t mind spreading outright falsehoods and harsh unjust judgements on others.
 
Jeanne_S said:
I really like Ted Cruz.He is a true Constitutionlist.He more than showed he can hold his own against the typically and predictable biased media.I would like him to really surge in the polls.Rubio is good as well.IMO Cruz,Rubio,Trump,Fiorina and even Christie has some really good breakout moments.
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👍 Yes, Cruz did well. Cruz also has not commented on a no-fly zone in Syria, this is a complex matter but seems to be a way that could start a conflict. I know Fiorina, Rubio and Cristie have voiced support for such a no-fly zone.
 
Vouthon said:
It’s a tactic. Some regard it as a shrewd means of deflecting unwanted questions. It’s theatre, not reality. Politics is like any job interview, it’s just that your ultimate interviewers are the electorate whom you need to win over.
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Strange then, that a number of media outlets are saying the same thing.

It’s sad people are so judgmental of others without ascertaining facts.
 
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