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ComeHome2Rome
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Thank you for this direct LDS source!
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TexanKnight
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anyone who is a scam artist knows that will be the case. The fact that Joseph knew this and wrote a book about a guy saying it does not change that
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VivienneJ
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OK, please, there are some geographical and historical inaccuracies here in respect of the Comoros and South Africa:
Moroni (or whatever it may be called these days, as many cities and countries in the general region of Africa have seen name changes over the past 50 or so years), capital of the Comoros is absolutely not in South Africa, is not and never has been. The Comoros are a group of islands off southern Africa - South Africa is the country at the southern end of the continent of Africa.
And there was never a ban on blacks and the priesthood in South Africa (yes, there were some very bad things done politically and some under the cloak of Christianity, but not a ban as such).
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Z_Ninja
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I’ve heard it was Cain that is alive and being mistaken for “Big Foot”
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onenow1
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As with all hearesies, they make it very appealing to human nature, without regard to the Spirit that we were made in.
John 3: 5,Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
God Bless
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John 3: 5,Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
God Bless
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Marie5890
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Thank you. That was my first thought.
The BoA is a complete and utter fraud, so everything is up for grabs, including where the name Moroni came from.
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twopekinguys
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Take it up with wiki. “At 1,862 km2 (719 sq mi), excluding the contested island of Mayotte,[3] the Comoros is the third-smallest African nation by area”
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No one is disputing name changes over 50 +/- yrs, As far as the Captial not being in South Africa, that is not what was said. It was stated as **Southern **Africa, as in the southern part of the continent of Africa.
Try reading post # 28 again.
Again, read post # 28, that is what was stated.
Are you familiar with mormonism at all? They had a ban on black and their priesthood from Brigham Young’s time right up until their “revelation” in 1978 allowing it.
I think you’re mixing some apples and oranges here. 1. We are not talking about South Africa, we are talking about Southern Africa. 2. We are talking about the mormon ban on their priesthood, which was world wide until 1978, so if there was a mormon presence in southern, or even South Africa, there was indeed a ban on blacks and the mormon priesthood.
Are you confusing some of this with Apartheid? If you are, you are definitely comparing apples and oranges.
ETA: Had you been following the thread, you would have realized that my stating south africa was merely a typo.
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PaulDupre
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No, it is Cain who gets mistaken for Bigfoot.
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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gazelam
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en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Anachronisms/Translation_Errors_from_the_KJV/Lord’s_PrayerI would not have expected any less.
What I find particularly interesting is that when he plagiarized the Lord’s Prayer, he added the doxology “For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory…” This was not part of the original Greek Scriptural text and actually derived from the liturgy of the Catholic Mass. Jesus never said the words.
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kimg901
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gazelam, can you not defend your faith? all you can seem to do is give links. we want to know what you believe and not what others believe say about your faith.
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ComeHome2Rome
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the Mormon Missionaries who shared that with me pointed to a verse in the New Testament to “prove it” - where Jesus said “what is it to you if he lives until my coming again” - or something like that Could Bigfoot be “Cain” in some Mormon groups & “John the Apostle” in others?
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LongJourney
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When gnostics claim to be one church, many different people will have many different revelations. I suppose the tritheistic plus infinity church is on its way to becoming Unitarian?
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gazelam
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Sometimes referring to someone else’s research is the best way to respond. There’s no way I’m going to spend time investigating the Moroni/Comoros/Captain Kidd baloney. For one thing I’m a working stiff and not some ivory tower scholar paid to research 30 hours per week. Even if I did it would take time to read a book and then get a second opinion, by the time I did that the thread will be long dead. Here’s a posting where I defended LDS beliefs: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=10223015#post10223015
I hope this helps.
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kimg901
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Im also no ivory tower scholar but sometimes one must take that time and do a little personal research
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SteveVH
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Yeah, being sent on a task on each and every post is getting a little old.
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RebeccaJ
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FYI gazelem, fair is aimed at the faithful. They’re “arguments” to non-Mormon eyes are thin.
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Hi gazelam - Why is JS’ connection to Captain Kidd and the Island of Comoros with the capitol city of Moroni baloney?
Everyone knew that JS read about Captain Kidd - and, YES, JS could read - so why wouldn’t he know about Comoros/Moroni?
Have you ever seen a writing sample of JS? Very nice penmanship. He was not who you think he was.
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Here is someone else’s research about Joseph Smith: (from Mormonthink)
Joseph’s education.
Joseph Smith did have limited formal education and that’s often heralded as ‘proof’ that he could not have written the BOM. However most people do not know that Joseph’s father, Joseph Smith, Sr., was a school teacher during the off season. Joseph’s brother, Hyrum, worked as a school teacher during the off season also. One of his sisters may have also been a teacher at some point in her life. This wasn’t a family of illiterates. Education was important to the Smith family, and although Joseph may have only had limited formal education in a typical classroom, his parents undoubtedly schooled him at home. Also Joseph was going to high school when he was 20 years old in Harmony PA with the Stowell children.
Joseph was able to read and ponder scriptures. His parents were literate. He had access to books and newspapers. He even held a position as “exhorter” at a local church. Joseph’s mother wrote that they did not neglect the education of their children.
In the early 1800s few children were able to have a full education. Most children in rural America worked on farms and often had much of their education done at home. As Joseph Smith Sr. was an actual school teacher at various times in his life, he would be quite capable of teaching general education to his children, including Joseph. Joseph’s mother, Lucy Smith, would undoubtedly help as well. Even Abraham Lincoln had a very limited formal education, and Benjamin Franklin had only one year of formal education.
Religious education
Young Joseph was able to read and ponder scriptures. Joseph also attended many protestant church services and studied the Bible in depth. According to Joseph Smith’s mother he told her, back before the BOM came forth that,
“I can take my Bible, and go into the woods, and learn more in two hours, than you can learn at meetings in two years, if you should go all the time.” [Lucy Mack Smith, Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith, the Prophet, and His Progenitors for Many Generations (Liverpool: S. W. Richards, 1853), p. 90]
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This has been a very interesting thread. Thanks to all contributors.
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