Majority of Americans say guns make homes safer

[Samson01]

The next time I run out of gas on a dark West Virginia mountain road I’ll tuck my nun chucks in my waistband and start walking home. I know I’ll be safe with my nun chucks should a bear or bobcat try to chew on me.

 

[Seamus_L]

Wonder what would have happened if some Bostonian had told the police going door to door for the alleged terror bomber, “I don’t need you looking in my house, if Tsarnaev shows up here I’ll just shoot him”.

 

[LilyM]

Because it is the law…no permits required for landowners hunting their own land on my state. And if an relative wants to hunt here they don’t need a permit either, just a note signed by me. I really don’t see why that is difficult. I do think it is kind of sad to have to fill out papers to take game off your own land though. Doesn’t seem right to me.

I know jolly well that it’s the law - abortion on demand is the law too - the point is not hat these things are law. The point is are they good laws?

I think it is perfectly right that anyone, myself included, who has a seriously dangerous deadly weapon - namely a gun in this case - on my property, for pretty much any reason, including hunting, should have to fill out the paperwork to show that that they are neither criminals nor insane - and have training - before being allowed to bring said weapon onto my property or use it on my property.

Yes, it is my property, but that does not give me or anyone the right to do whatever we darn well please on it. This is particularly true of dangerous activities.

If I wanted to use an explosive such as dynamite in my creek to kill the fish in it, which is probably far easier than fishing for them, I would probably need to do all sorts of things by way of paperwork to get permission to firstly legally obtain the explosive then secondly have it on my property and thirdly use it on my property. Why? Because it is dangerous!

 

[LilyM]

Wonder what would have happened if some Bostonian had told the police going door to door for the alleged terror bomber, “I don’t need you looking in my house, if Tsarnaev shows up here I’ll just shoot him”.

Or worse, if some Boston civilian had mistakenly shot another innocent Boston civilian thinking they were Tsarnaev.

 

[Samson01]

I know jolly well that it’s the law - abortion on demand is the law too - the point is not hat these things are law. The point is are they good laws?

I think it is perfectly right that anyone, myself included, who has a seriously dangerous deadly weapon - namely a gun in this case - on my property, for pretty much any reason, including hunting, should have to fill out the paperwork to show that that they are neither criminals nor insane - and have training - before being allowed to bring said weapon onto my property or use it on my property.

Yes, it is my property, but that does not give me or anyone the right to do whatever we darn well please on it. This is particularly true of dangerous activities.

If I wanted to use an explosive such as dynamite in my creek to kill the fish in it, which is probably far easier than fishing for them, I would probably need to do all sorts of things by way of paperwork to get permission to firstly legally obtain the explosive then secondly have it on my property and thirdly use it on my property. Why? Because it is dangerous!

It’s much safer to use carbide for that…

 

[Samson01]

I know jolly well that it’s the law - abortion on demand is the law too - the point is not hat these things are law. The point is are they good laws?

I think it is perfectly right that anyone, myself included, who has a seriously dangerous deadly weapon - namely a gun in this case - on my property, for pretty much any reason, including hunting, should have to fill out the paperwork to show that that they are neither criminals nor insane - and have training - before being allowed to bring said weapon onto my property or use it on my property.

Yes, it is my property, but that does not give me or anyone the right to do whatever we darn well please on it. This is particularly true of dangerous activities.

If I wanted to use an explosive such as dynamite in my creek to kill the fish in it, which is probably far easier than fishing for them, I would probably need to do all sorts of things by way of paperwork to get permission to firstly legally obtain the explosive then secondly have it on my property and thirdly use it on my property. Why? Because it is dangerous!

A good friend of mine has his SF team dropped off on his land and train all day. A chinook dropped off pizzas later that day. We camped out that night lighting off parachute flares and drinking beer…you really think you know my culture huh?

 

[LilyM]

Wonder what would have happened if some Bostonian had told the police going door to door for the alleged terror bomber, “I don’t need you looking in my house, if Tsarnaev shows up here I’ll just shoot him”.

A good friend of mine has his SF team dropped off on his land and train all day. A chinook dropped off pizzas later that day. We camped out that night lighting off parachute flares and drinking beer…you really think you know my culture huh?

SF? As in Special Forces/Strike forces/security forces? As in MILITARY (who I have very clearly said several times are a special case)? The lack of reading and comprehension skills you are consistently betraying is exactly what I expect of your culture.

I’m sure your friends employers - the taxpayers - would love to know that your friend so shamefully wasted their hard earned money on using a Chinook to deliver pizzas to him. By the way this sort of crazy wastefulness is also exactly what I expect of your culture. Not that there is none in mine, but at least we have the good sense to mostly be ashamed of it and try to stamp it out rather than boasting about it.

 

[Samson01]

SF? As in Special Forces? As in military (who I have very clearly said several times are a special case)? The lack of reading and comprehension skills you are consistently betraying is exactly what I expect of your culture.

I’m sure your friends employers - the taxpayers - would love to know that your friend so shamefully wasted their hard earned money on using a Chinook to deliver pizzas to him. By the way this sort of crazy wastefulness is also exactly what I expect of your culture. Not that there is none in mine, but at least we have the good sense to mostly be ashamed of it and try to stamp it out rather than boasting about it.

Are you sweet talking me again?

 

[Samson01]

That day went something like this.
m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=share&v=GhxqIITtTtU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DGhxqIITtTtU%26feature%3Dshare

 

[Geist]

With the ill-advised gun bills failing prices may return to a sane level. The AK-47 derivative I was going to buy myself for Christmas may finally enter under my roof after all. No way was I paying $1100 for a $550 rifle.

Then the problem is finding food for it! Ammo is still backordered to November.

 

[Bill_Martin]

With the ill-advised gun bills failing prices may return to a sane level. The AK-47 derivative I was going to buy myself for Christmas may finally enter under my roof after all. No way was I paying $1100 for a $550 rifle.

Then the problem is finding food for it! Ammo is still backordered to November.

Is it hard to find? 7.62x39 is one of the few calibers that’s available here for reasonable prices. Makes me wish I still had my AK.

 

[SamH]

Is it hard to find? 7.62x39 is one of the few calibers that’s available here for reasonable prices. Makes me wish I still had my AK.

In my area nothing is available except shotgun shells. Once in the while you might find 45 ACP or some 30-30 ammo but everything else has been off the shelves since December.

 

[Geist]

In my area nothing is available except shotgun shells. Once in the while you might find 45 ACP or some 30-30 ammo but everything else has been off the shelves since December.

This is my experience as well, just shells and odd rifle calibers.

 

[Zooey]

For the record:
Lily, in many states here in the US, there are special provisions made for taking game on private property.
In NY, you are supposed to have a permit to hunt on your own properrty. In point of fact, it is OK to shoot any wild animal that is on farmland owned by you,( or a friend or relative), that is posing a hazard to crops, livestock, etc.
As an example, one of the local librarians had coyotes getting into her family’s trash cans. Her husband shot one while it was so engaged. There was a little grumpiness on the part of the staties, but when fish & wildlife were contacted, they said, that since it was (A) their land & (B) zoned for agriculture, that it was perfectly OK. No harm, no foul. The state cop’s annoyance would have been better directed at whoever called them & said, “[Mr Librarian] was shooting a gun from his backdoor last night”.
Well…So, he was. He shot an animal that was a danger to himslef, his family, their pets, & to the health/welfare of the entire community. (Coyotes are notorious carriers of disease, as well as being scavengers willijng to snack on folks’ cats & dogs).
And having seen the damage done by deer crashing into the house through picture windows and/or sliding glass doors, you rapidly realize that the really dangerous activity is living in an area where deer come that close to the house. (As a small child, I once had a good-sized whitetail buck press his face against the windowscreen to watch me reading. That was bad enough; let’s not get into the time that a mountain lion tore the screen out of my aunt & uncle’s bedroom at 2 AM [est], or the time that my grandfather made it into the house (MY house, where I sit typing this!) seconds ahead of a lynx. A **rabid **lynx.
I could go on & on…You get my point.
I strongly suspect that, while wombats have seriously scary looking claws,& kangaroos are a menace on the roadways, that hardly any of them have ever chased a grown Australian male into the house, frothing at the mouth. (The critter. Not the Aussie human.)

 

[LilyM]

For the record:
Lily, in many states here in the US, there are special provisions made for taking game on private property.
In NY, you are supposed to have a permit to hunt on your own properrty. In point of fact, it is OK to shoot any wild animal that is on farmland owned by you,( or a friend or relative), that is posing a hazard to crops, livestock, etc.
As an example, one of the local librarians had coyotes getting into her family’s trash cans. Her husband shot one while it was so engaged. There was a little grumpiness on the part of the staties, but when fish & wildlife were contacted, they said, that since it was (A) their land & (B) zoned for agriculture, that it was perfectly OK. No harm, no foul. The state cop’s annoyance would have been better directed at whoever called them & said, “[Mr Librarian] was shooting a gun from his backdoor last night”.
Well…So, he was. He shot an animal that was a danger to himslef, his family, their pets, & to the health/welfare of the entire community. (Coyotes are notorious carriers of disease, as well as being scavengers willijng to snack on folks’ cats & dogs).
And having seen the damage done by deer crashing into the house through picture windows and/or sliding glass doors, you rapidly realize that the really dangerous activity is living in an area where deer come that close to the house. (As a small child, I once had a good-sized whitetail buck press his face against the windowscreen to watch me reading. That was bad enough; let’s not get into the time that a mountain lion tore the screen out of my aunt & uncle’s bedroom at 2 AM [est], or the time that my grandfather made it into the house (MY house, where I sit typing this!) seconds ahead of a lynx. A **rabid **lynx.
I could go on & on…You get my point.
I strongly suspect that, while wombats have seriously scary looking claws,& kangaroos are a menace on the roadways, that hardly any of them have ever chased a grown Australian male into the house, frothing at the mouth. (The critter. Not the Aussie human.)

You’d be surprised, my dear Zooey - kangaroos can be very aggressive. Not to mention crocodiles, snakes, dingos and lots of other worrisome critters around and within our properties.

In any case I certainly did not mean to imply that eradicating pest animals on one’s own property ought to require a permit, far from it. Just the recreational and sporting kind of hunting.

 

[SamH]

For the record:
Lily, in many states here in the US, there are special provisions made for taking game on private property.
In NY, you are supposed to have a permit to hunt on your own properrty. In point of fact, it is OK to shoot any wild animal that is on farmland owned by you,( or a friend or relative), that is posing a hazard to crops, livestock, etc.

I don’t think that is the law at all. While you may shoot a coyote out of fur season that is on your land you can’t go to a buddy’s property and hunt them. Only the owner or employee of the owner of the crop or livestock being damaged may shoot animals out of season. Even then some animals (like eagles and other protected species) are off limits. If a bald eagle swoops in and nabs your toy poodle all you can do is wave goodbye.

 

[Fairwinds]

But what is it in reality? The data I saw strongly suggested that an innocent person is more likely to killed with an owner’s gun than some home intruder. What’s being suggested here is a far cry from an adequate survey that actually show real-life statistics.

that’s true. unfortunately.

I’ve noticed something during the latest round of panic buying of guns and ammo because of fear of heightened gun control laws. I’m around a gun range constantly because I do a lot of competition shooting and there’s recently been a spike in range use. while that’s good in a general way, new gun owners’ safety violations and even unfamiliarity with how they work is appalling and constant. and I mean these are gross violations – a guy walking around with a shotgun, shells in the magazine and one actually chambered; being “swept” by a barrel by idiots who don’t know to keep the thing pointed downrange; I’ve been showered with gravel because a new owner next to me on a trap line blasted the ground ten feet ahead of us.

so accidents in the home – the stats are as bad as you think – take away the utility (and for many, the glamour) of having a gun around for home protection.

F/

 

[SamH]

that’s true. unfortunately.

I’ve noticed something during the latest round of panic buying of guns and ammo because of fear of heightened gun control laws. I’m around a gun range constantly because I do a lot of competition shooting and there’s recently been a spike in range use. while that’s good in a general way, new gun owners’ safety violations and even unfamiliarity with how they work is appalling and constant. and I mean these are gross violations – a guy walking around with a shotgun, shells in the magazine and one actually chambered; being “swept” by a barrel by idiots who don’t know to keep the thing pointed downrange; I’ve been showered with gravel because a new owner next to me on a trap line blasted the ground ten feet ahead of us.

so accidents in the home – the stats are as bad as you think – take away the utility (and for many, the glamour) of having a gun around for home protection.

F/

Actually most of those “deaths” are the result of suicides - not accidents. I know only three people that have been “accidentally” shot. One was a high school friend who laid a loaded shotgun on a seat and his hyper dog somehow pulled the trigger causing major damage to his leg, and two deputies, one that shot a fellow officer while “clearing his weapon” in the police station and another that claimed he shot himself while cleaning his gun.

I’m not a fan of the claim “accidental discharge”. Most guns go off because someone deliberately pulled the trigger without thinking about their actions, that’s not an accident, so much as an act of stupidity. Like choosing to ignore a stop sign and causing a wreck - that’s not really an accident either.

 

[Fairwinds]

Actually most of those “deaths” are the result of suicides - not accidents. I know only three people that have been “accidentally” shot. One was a high school friend who laid a loaded shotgun on a seat and his hyper dog somehow pulled the trigger causing major damage to his leg, and two deputies, one that shot a fellow officer while “clearing his weapon” in the police station and another that claimed he shot himself while cleaning his gun.

I’m not a fan of the claim “accidental discharge”. Most guns go off because someone deliberately pulled the trigger without thinking about their actions, that’s not an accident, so much as an act of stupidity. Like choosing to ignore a stop sign and causing a wreck - that’s not really an accident either.

I’m not going to argue statistics or sources because that’s more fodder for gun grabbers. my experience, while anecdotal, is extensive: untrained gun owners are dangerous. I have zero tolerance for range safety violations and I won’t shoot with, alongside, or in the presence of someone who doesn’t look like he or she knows what he or she is doing. that moron who was carrying a shotgun with a chambered round off the line went home, where the same loaded shotgun is probably waiting for his dog to trigger off the round.

F/

 

[SamH]

I’m not going to argue statistics or sources because that’s more fodder for gun grabbers. my experience, while anecdotal, is extensive: untrained gun owners are dangerous. I have zero tolerance for range safety violations and I won’t shoot with, alongside, or in the presence of someone who doesn’t look like he or she knows what he or she is doing. that moron who was carrying a shotgun with a chambered round off the line went home, where the same loaded shotgun is probably waiting for his dog to trigger off the round.

F/

I agree - but the people that really tick me off are those that are trained (or represent themselves as being trained) and still make the same stupid mistakes you would expect from someone who has never held a firearm before. Usually the people that are not familiar with a firearm hold it with a certain degree of fear and respect. The mistakes they make are because no one has told them the correct way.