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Best line on the thread!Anyway - I hope you always know that The Church is not a Hotel for Saints but a Hospital for Sinners. You fell. You get back up and keep trying.
Best line on the thread!Anyway - I hope you always know that The Church is not a Hotel for Saints but a Hospital for Sinners. You fell. You get back up and keep trying.
Lady:Wow, what I love about these forums is you get so many answers from so many people who really careThank you! I really appreciate all the kind words of support and I feel a lot better.
To address the āIs this rapeā debate, I am hesitate to call it rape, mainly because I want to take responsibility for my actions. That being said, I am a little offended being compared to Adam blaming Eve. I can assure you, I was (drunkenly) trying to get him to slow down. We did not have sex. Luckily, my incredibly intoxicated mind managed to push him away whenever he tried.
That being said, of the other sinful acts, one in particular he kept trying, I kept telling him very blatantly āNoā, and he didnāt listen at all. Eventually, I think partly because I was sick of fighting him off, and maybe also because more alcohol kicked in, I just gave in and let him have what he wanted. From that point on, I guess I figured whatās done is done, and the main reason I feel guilty is because although he in a way forced himself on me, I took part afterwards.
Iām actually not sure how much āconsentā was there really, but it was my fault for drinking so much. Heās obviously a complete jerk, and I can assure you all, I will avoid him like the plague and never EVER be intimate with him again.
Iāll certainly pray for you, but really, you donāt have to give up your entire faith because of a fall. You goofed up. God has so much mercy for this, that he died for you. He left us a Church, and Sacraments. You can go to confession, with contrition of heart, perform your penance with sincerity, then go to mass, and accept the loving, healing grace of the Word of God, and the most Holy Eucharist. This process can restore your relationship with the body of Christ, and you can move on. Clean, free, and a little bit wiser about yourself, and your near occasions of sin to avoid. This is our faith. This can be repeated 7 times 70 times. (Just meaning a huge number). Godās mercy is unfathomable. Please donāt let your pride step in the way of getting right back to the confessional. Avail yourself of the sacraments frequently, and I just about promise your life will change. Try spending some time each week in front of the blessed sacrament as well. This has been life changing for me.Somethingās completely eating me up, and Iām not sure how to approach it at all. For context: I am a 21 year old college student at an incredibly secular school. I was raised Catholic and go to Mass every Sunday. About 2 years ago, I got out of an emotionally abusive relationship. To increase my self-esteem, I turned to sinful behaviour, mainly casually dating/kissing non-Catholic men and being more intimate than I should with them (I was one of those āWell, as long as weāre not having sexā¦ā types). About 3 months ago, I had what I believe to be a second conversion. I decided I felt used, hurt and that it was time to respect myself the way God intended me to be respected. I realized that the things of this world are not what will properly fill that void.
So for the past few months, I went to confession for the first time in 2 years, I spent a bunch of time with a Catholic group at my college, completely gave up binge drinking and masturbation, and overall things were looking great!I was telling all my friends (Catholic and non) that I was ready to live out my values properly and was pumped to do so. I was even asked to speak at a Catholic event and am supposed to lead a Bible study in a few weeks.
Well a few nights ago, it all unravelled. It was a friendās birthday, I had a couple glasses of wine, and this guy who I know was interested in me, kept re-filling my glass (occasionally when I wasnāt looking) and I got drunk. He then proceeded to take advantage of me, pressuring me into things. I tried resisting but he kept pushing and eventually, I guess because I was drunk and technically had done this before, I fell back into my old sinful behaviour. I know he was wrong for taking advantage of me, but it was my fault for getting that drunk in the first place. I woke up the next morning confused and unbelievably embarrassed. I thought I had changed and now Iām concerned Iām a hopeless cause
I am now heartbroken because Iām concerned my second conversion wasnāt ārealā. I have several friends who decided enough was enough and are now leaders in the Catholic community and they never made big mistakes like this afterwards. Maybe I was just kidding myself thinking I had āchangedā. I am also concerned because Iāve realized I want a good Catholic husband one day and Iām worried none will want someone like me, who has such a past, and has sinned so badly even after claiming a second conversion. I feel like a fraud.
Does anyone have any advice for me? Any prayers you think would help? I will obviously go to confession soon, but what other steps can I take to turn around so I wonāt keep āchangingā, only to sin again.
Please keep me in your prayers!
I am not a spiritual director, but I will try to give you some advice anyway. Take them for what they are:Somethingās completely eating me up, and Iām not sure how to approach it at all. For context: I am a 21 year old college student at an incredibly secular school. I was raised Catholic and go to Mass every Sunday. About 2 years ago, I got out of an emotionally abusive relationship. To increase my self-esteem, I turned to sinful behaviour, mainly casually dating/kissing non-Catholic men and being more intimate than I should with them (I was one of those āWell, as long as weāre not having sexā¦ā types). About 3 months ago, I had what I believe to be a second conversion. I decided I felt used, hurt and that it was time to respect myself the way God intended me to be respected. I realized that the things of this world are not what will properly fill that void.
So for the past few months, I went to confession for the first time in 2 years, I spent a bunch of time with a Catholic group at my college, completely gave up binge drinking and masturbation, and overall things were looking great!I was telling all my friends (Catholic and non) that I was ready to live out my values properly and was pumped to do so. I was even asked to speak at a Catholic event and am supposed to lead a Bible study in a few weeks.
Well a few nights ago, it all unravelled. It was a friendās birthday, I had a couple glasses of wine, and this guy who I know was interested in me, kept re-filling my glass (occasionally when I wasnāt looking) and I got drunk. He then proceeded to take advantage of me, pressuring me into things. I tried resisting but he kept pushing and eventually, I guess because I was drunk and technically had done this before, I fell back into my old sinful behaviour. I know he was wrong for taking advantage of me, but it was my fault for getting that drunk in the first place. I woke up the next morning confused and unbelievably embarrassed. I thought I had changed and now Iām concerned Iām a hopeless cause
I am now heartbroken because Iām concerned my second conversion wasnāt ārealā. I have several friends who decided enough was enough and are now leaders in the Catholic community and they never made big mistakes like this afterwards. Maybe I was just kidding myself thinking I had āchangedā. I am also concerned because Iāve realized I want a good Catholic husband one day and Iām worried none will want someone like me, who has such a past, and has sinned so badly even after claiming a second conversion. I feel like a fraud.
Does anyone have any advice for me? Any prayers you think would help? I will obviously go to confession soon, but what other steps can I take to turn around so I wonāt keep āchangingā, only to sin again.
Please keep me in your prayers!
Of course that I was trying to convey serious things in a funny matter.I have no idea what the above poster means when he or she states that maybe the man was raped too because he was also drinking. If he was being coerced into do something sexual, then yesā¦he would be the victim of a sexual assault or (possibly) a rape. If, however, he was doing the PRESSURING then he was NOT a victim of either one.
The fact that a man may think about sex all the time is absolutely NO excuse for immoral or sinful behavior. Males are children of God, created in His Image and should be held to a standard that requires them to behave as such and not given a wink or a nod when they do not. If they are horribly subject to sin, as St Paul described himself, then they have an obligation to keep their eyes and hands to themselves and their minds lifted in prayer, just as women have an obligation to dress and behave with modesty and love of God firmly in their minds.
In the US, with variations from state to state, if a person is drunk or drugged they cannot give consent for sexual activity. Period. If we do not like that we can work within the system to change the law but right now, as it stands, anyone who is drunk or drugged - whether they got drunk or got high on their own volition or not - cannot give consent for sexual activity and that elevates the situation to a criminal offense. If someone engages in a criminal activity is also drunk or drugged they may have an affirmative defense however they are still in danger of being charged with sexual assault or rape.
I think it is absolutely fabulous that this young woman has taken responsibility for drinking too much that night. Most people would not do so; however, she is NOT responsible for this young manās immorality. He could have behaved like a child of God. He chose not to and for that he should be held accountable.
The two boys I raised have been raised with this standard. They are firmly aware that if they end up in this situation I will love them but I will expect them to accept full responsibility for acting like immoral bores.
But what do I know?![]()
In literature, humor on hard things like sex and death is called euphemism. You say things in a light way, not necessarily to joke about it, because things are hard.Apology accepted. It is difficult to understand tone of voice when posting online. My experience has been that rape and/or sexual assault is not a subject of humor. Too many young men in the US have found themselves on the receiving end of a criminal charge because they thought it would be ok to force themselves on a woman (or another man) if they are BOTH drunk, that somehow imbibing in alcohol which lower the inhibitions makes being āpersuasiveā ok. And too many young women (and men) have made the bad decision to drink too much at a party and then felt somehow they were responsible for another personās immoral behavior.
I agree we need to teach our young how to be responsible when it comes to alcohol.![]()
Bad habits are really hard to break even when nobody else knows about them, but when youāve gotten yourself a reputation, and people are out there wanting to take advantage of you, itās even more difficult.Somethingās completely eating me up, and Iām not sure how to approach it at all. For context: I am a 21 year old college student at an incredibly secular school. I was raised Catholic and go to Mass every Sunday. About 2 years ago, I got out of an emotionally abusive relationship. To increase my self-esteem, I turned to sinful behaviour, mainly casually dating/kissing non-Catholic men and being more intimate than I should with them (I was one of those āWell, as long as weāre not having sexā¦ā types). About 3 months ago, I had what I believe to be a second conversion. I decided I felt used, hurt and that it was time to respect myself the way God intended me to be respected. I realized that the things of this world are not what will properly fill that void.
So for the past few months, I went to confession for the first time in 2 years, I spent a bunch of time with a Catholic group at my college, completely gave up binge drinking and masturbation, and overall things were looking great!I was telling all my friends (Catholic and non) that I was ready to live out my values properly and was pumped to do so. I was even asked to speak at a Catholic event and am supposed to lead a Bible study in a few weeks.
Well a few nights ago, it all unravelled. It was a friendās birthday, I had a couple glasses of wine, and this guy who I know was interested in me, kept re-filling my glass (occasionally when I wasnāt looking) and I got drunk. He then proceeded to take advantage of me, pressuring me into things. I tried resisting but he kept pushing and eventually, I guess because I was drunk and technically had done this before, I fell back into my old sinful behaviour. I know he was wrong for taking advantage of me, but it was my fault for getting that drunk in the first place. I woke up the next morning confused and unbelievably embarrassed. I thought I had changed and now Iām concerned Iām a hopeless cause
I am now heartbroken because Iām concerned my second conversion wasnāt ārealā. I have several friends who decided enough was enough and are now leaders in the Catholic community and they never made big mistakes like this afterwards. Maybe I was just kidding myself thinking I had āchangedā. I am also concerned because Iāve realized I want a good Catholic husband one day and Iām worried none will want someone like me, who has such a past, and has sinned so badly even after claiming a second conversion. I feel like a fraud.
Does anyone have any advice for me? Any prayers you think would help? I will obviously go to confession soon, but what other steps can I take to turn around so I wonāt keep āchangingā, only to sin again.
Please keep me in your prayers!
And I want to add a special thank you to you, LSKI have no idea what the above poster means when he or she states that maybe the man was raped too because he was also drinking. If he was being coerced into do something sexual, then yesā¦he would be the victim of a sexual assault or (possibly) a rape. If, however, he was doing the PRESSURING then he was NOT a victim of either one.
The fact that a man may think about sex all the time is absolutely NO excuse for immoral or sinful behavior. Males are children of God, created in His Image and should be held to a standard that requires them to behave as such and not given a wink or a nod when they do not. If they are horribly subject to sin, as St Paul described himself, then they have an obligation to keep their eyes and hands to themselves and their minds lifted in prayer, just as women have an obligation to dress and behave with modesty and love of God firmly in their minds.
In the US, with variations from state to state, if a person is drunk or drugged they cannot give consent for sexual activity. Period. If we do not like that we can work within the system to change the law but right now, as it stands, anyone who is drunk or drugged - whether they got drunk or got high on their own volition or not - cannot give consent for sexual activity and that elevates the situation to a criminal offense. If someone engages in a criminal activity is also drunk or drugged they may have an affirmative defense however they are still in danger of being charged with sexual assault or rape.
I think it is absolutely fabulous that this young woman has taken responsibility for drinking too much that night. Most people would not do so; however, she is NOT responsible for this young manās immorality. He could have behaved like a child of God. He chose not to and for that he should be held accountable.
The two boys I raised have been raised with this standard. They are firmly aware that if they end up in this situation I will love them but I will expect them to accept full responsibility for acting like immoral bores.
But what do I know?![]()
God bless you! I am glad you are going to confession today. It is indeed, a wonderful blessing.Stina, something very similar happened with me (my borderline devastation is what lead me to your post). I want to thank you for your honesty and everyone else here for their answers, because this thread has been very beneficial to me. I can now dust myself and get back up from my stumble.
(I found a nearby parish where my Confession can be heard tomorrow, and I look forward to it immensely. What a precious gift the Sacrament is!)
Thanks again, and God bless you all.