Making Contact with Spirits or Ghosts

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There are several Doctors of the Church that yes, we do learn from and take into account their writings. Their teachings are not infallible but we can learn from them and can accept what they have to say on certain subjects.
 
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Not that I could easily explain. It feels like someone is watching me, but from all angles. And like a really intense stare, not just a “meh there’s a human let’s lazily look at him”.
That is a common feeling for me about Jesus Christ.
 
as long as doing so doesn’t contradict Catholic teaching, people are allowed to believe them if they so choose.
Indeed, but lets not give the appearance to others it is in any way Church teaching. The Magisterium fairly clearly tolerates but is not in agreement. As the Magisterium, for example, also tolerates those who believe that Mary did not die.
 
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Saints who have been made Doctors have their teachings put before us in a special way.
Padre Pio and Saint Faustina’s writings have not been put before the faithful in that way.
And never will I suggest. By all means read them for edification … but re teachings - discernment is required.
 
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Of course thermal would only work if it is true that a ghostly presence really is colder than the surrounding air.
If the Church defines souls as being pure spirits without matter (and therefore without energy) why do you think this Spiritualist/New Age understanding of ghosts is compatible with Catholic teaching?
 
My views have been fairly clearly stated:

Aerial Toll Houses and similar gnostic views were known in the Early Church as it was a widespread cultural belief of the time - it never became a formal Church teaching despite this.

So you may personally believe in this silliness (now resurrected by Victorian Spiritualism and popular TV shows) if you wish - it has not been formally condemned as I say. The Church only tends to address/condemn such views when they become widespread.

However it cannot be called a Church teaching. It is over the top to try and suggest it is.

Saints are canonised for their holiness and charity not their writings.

Priests are fallible and idiosyncratic like us laity. If you look specifically for a priest to back your own “Catholic” views on angels, demons, superstition, the death of Mary, the Pope being used by Satan, the Vatican has fallen etc…I am sure you will find one online somewhere.

Gnosticism is a heresy and a distraction from the right path to God. The sorts of belief’s mentioned here were part of their “corpus”. While not specifically condemned the movement was. That should give loyal Catholics pause for thought re these fancies of souls needing to work out their “purgatory” on earth and in the places where they have “unfinished business.”

That is also a belief of Victorian Spiritualism. This has also been condemned by the Church.

It is alive and well in the “folklore” of the less well educated in the USA - including Catholics it seems.
I know we don’t always see eye to eye but in this thread I agree with everything you have said.
 
Ok so no matter.

Still many accounts of ghosts come with reports of the area being cold as the ghost was near. Even if there is no physical substance there, they obviously have an effect on the air around them. The results from using a thermal imaging system may not be clear but at least it would be something.
 
Ok so no matter.

Still many accounts of ghosts come with reports of the area being cold as the ghost was near. Even if there is no physical substance there, they obviously have an effect on the air around them. The results from using a thermal imaging system may not be clear but at least it would be something.
Still many accounts of ghosts come with reports of the area being cold as the ghost was near.
Charles one of the accepted principles or mature, critical thinkers (as opposed to the gullible) is known as “Ochkam’s razor”.

Put simply it asserts that when there are multiple possible explanations for something unknown then the simplest one is 99% of the time the correct one.

So until we actually get a legit thermal imaging video of a ghost in human form I suggest taking third party reports with a grain of salt. So, following this reasonable principle:
  1. Do you not find it strange that such a legit video has yet to make it to reputable world press outlets?
  2. Do you not see that your assumptions tend to contradict your own Church’s teaching on what a soul is - and that you seem to be running with Victorian Spiritualist definitions instead?
  3. Would it not be simpler to suggest that “feelings” of a sudden cold draught are more likely:
    (a) a mistaken feeling brought on by fear…ie psychological in origin like seeing “auras” that actually aren’t there and cannot be picked up by video.
    (b) there is a draught mechanism in the building yet to be discovered if a door was not suddenly opened.
  4. Do you not recognise that people who are predisposed to accept ghost activity (you clearly have a strong natural belief in an ethereal (aerial) world of hidden spirits battling with each other for the souls of men) will be the first to try on that “lens” when something cannot immediately be explained. My wife for example always blames me for her things missing or not being in the right place instead of relaxing and thinking about what may have happened. 95% of the time she was absent minded or the wind or cat is responsible for her missing items which we do find later on.
I can see you are not well Catechised and so are somewhat at the mercy of your own imagination and the teachings you subconsciously imbibe from society be it TV or the folklore of family members or community. Much of it is on the outer edges of Catholic teaching. And you do not even realise this.

My advice is to find a local Catholic course in the Catechism, concentrate on developing more critical thinking skills and better researching the opinions of the uneducated from more educated sources.
Good luck and God bless.
 
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I see.

I understand where you are coming from. I never really thought of researching this topic on a religious level and now that all of these points are being brought to my attention, I think I will definitely be doing more research.

And I rather like salt on my brain food thank you.
 
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To everyone on this thread:

I have put much thought and prayer into this situation, and taking in all your advice, I have made a decision. I am, from this point on, going to move all activities that I can from the garage to a separate area. This area is actually going to be outside, more relaxing and less ghosties. All parts of my flute and other working processes that require powered tools (I’m thankfully starting to rely less and less on those as my skills develop) will be done in the garage, but only after I say a prayer or two and put on some Jesus music (I will take care the other suggested precautions as well).

When I get the chance I will bring up the issue with my pastor and see what we can do in terms of a blessing of the house.

I will make a couple prayer altars.

I will pray more for the future prevention of these occurrences, for my family and for what ever unfortunate people who get this house after us. And hopefully there are no ghosts at Ave Maria.

Thank you all for help!!

It was very very greatly appreciated, and I learned a lot as well.

Thank you!!
 
I would talk to a priest and seek medical and psychiatric testing concurrently.
 
It has been documented by credible exorcists that possession and other diabolical manifestations can be accompanied by experiences of sudden and abnormal coldness in some specific region, such as a room.
 
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Regarding souls from purgatory visiting, I do have to say that I personally believe what Padre Pio has testified to about the souls in purgatory in his experiences, that he did indeed receive some visitations from them, manifestations, whatever one may call them.

That’s my personal belief. Take it for what it’s worth.
 
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Sip on this, little man.

Unless you were agreeing with me. Wasn’t sure. If you were, then I shall spit you back out.
 
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