Malachi Martin

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Was he a Catholic in good standing when he left the Jesuits?

He has written some pretty damning accusations about Satanic goings on in St Peters…I don’t know whether to believe this stuff or not, but I tend toward the not…
 
on some things only time will tell

He was released from his Jesuit vows… but remained a priest for life.

Use the search pulldown, because there are a number of threads about his works or “fiction”

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Was he a Catholic in good standing when he left the Jesuits?

He has written some pretty damning accusations about Satanic goings on in St Peters…I don’t know whether to believe this stuff or not, but I tend toward the not…
He was allowed to function as a priest in NY by Cardinals Cooke and O’Connor, both of whom were completely orthodox.

I am confident he was both a priest and a Catholic in good standing until the end of his life.

God Bless
 
He was allowed to function as a priest in NY by Cardinals Cooke and O’Connor, both of whom were completely orthodox.

I am confident he was both a priest and a Catholic in good standing until the end of his life.

God Bless
Isn’t there speculation that Fr. Martin was murdered?
 
Isn’t there speculation that Fr. Martin was murdered?
When it comes to Malachi Martin there is speculation about everything. Fr. Martin was extremely critical of the Church and of the Jesuit Order and he couched his rhetoric in graphic satanic/demonic terms. There are many who thought of Malachi Martin as a good priest who disparaged his detractors in extreme terms. Others find evidence that he was obsessed with satan and practiced occult demonology. Protestant fundamentalists have constructed a Malachi Martin who proved that the Jesuits were the spawn of the devil and that ritual human sacrifice is regularly practiced at the Vatican. On and on and on. The more paranoid an anti-Catholic conspiracy gets the more likely Malachi Martin will be invoked as proof. M.M. has achieved the status of an urban legend.:eek:

The Chancellor
 
I sort of have trouble with people who mix fact with fiction. It seems sort of Da Vinci Code to me

If he had something to say, why not just spit it out and be done with it…Makes me sort of wonder if he was doing this kind of thing to attract a crowd and sell more books?
 
I sort of have trouble with people who mix fact with fiction. It seems sort of Da Vinci Code to me

If he had something to say, why not just spit it out and be done with it…Makes me sort of wonder if he was doing this kind of thing to attract a crowd and sell more books?
Agreed. But I also think that it is getting harder to authenticate some of what is attributed to M.M. I suspect (but cannot prove) that some quotes and stories reported as originaling with M.M. are fabrications. I also think that some of the ways that authentic M.M. material has been used exceed the intent of the author.

Fr Martin was a well known Carholic exorcist who agreed to be interviewed by sensationalist and anti-Catholic media who plied him for “sound bites”. It was all a very big deal back in the day when exorcism and demon movies, alien abductions and satanic ritual abuse were all the rage.

The Chancellor
 
I sort of have trouble with people who mix fact with fiction. It seems sort of Da Vinci Code to me

If he had something to say, why not just spit it out and be done with it…Makes me sort of wonder if he was doing this kind of thing to attract a crowd and sell more books?
I think he honestly believed a lot of bad things were happening in the Church and spoke out against it.

In doing so, he may have let himself be used by anti-Catholics.

I have not researched the details.

However, he always remained a priest in good standing in NY, and never broke with the Church.

God Bless
 
I do remember him making the rounds of talk shows in the days that the Exorcist was a block buster movie

He never seemed disloyal to the Pope that I recall…
 
bilop,

I agree. He really thought some things were going on and was speaking out against it. If anything, he was zealous over the house of God. I have one of his exorcism books - Hostage to the Devil. I really like the book. However, he does seem to sensationalize the stories a bit to make it more appealing. He presents tons of factual information with a sensational flair.

I like him 👍

Peace…

MW
 
Was he a Catholic in good standing when he left the Jesuits?

He has written some pretty damning accusations about Satanic goings on in St Peters…I don’t know whether to believe this stuff or not, but I tend toward the not…
I think his work is mostly garbage.😦
 
He was allowed to function as a priest in NY by Cardinals Cooke and O’Connor, both of whom were completely orthodox.

I am confident he was both a priest and a Catholic in good standing until the end of his life.

God Bless
I used to be a bit of a MM fan - although I took everything in Windswept House with a grain of salt.

I just finished “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church” - and this book, written in the early 70s, simply wasn’t written by a man who loves the Catholic Church. It’s true that everything he reports is factual (it’s mainly about the sin & decadence in the clergy through the 4th through 16th centuries), but the spin is just decidedly negative - as one can reasonably deduce from the title alone.

There are a group of Traditionalists who believe MM was a fraud, and some of his statements do appear to be rather implausible. He reported that he’d done hundreds of major exorcisms, for example, those taking days to weeks, yet he had no faculty to conduct any in New York, where he lived, and I believe the diocesan exorcist there reported never working with him.

I listened to his taped interviews - there were some contradictions and odd statements. For example, in one he stated that Satan and Lucifer were different beings, and expanded on that pretty extensively, but in others he clearly speaks of these monikers as two names for the same being.

That might not be so bad if he were engaging in speculation, but he clearly speaks as if from a position of certainty and authority.

At this point, I take the view of a friend who commented that he considers him as “entertainment” and not to be taken too seriously.
 
I need to (heavily) quality the comments in my last post regarding “Decline and Fall…”. First, I misspoke slightly when I said I’d finished it - I’d almost finished it, but had ~20 pages to go, and those pages have been read.

These were the most brilliant pages in the book, and, yes, they’re written from a very orthodox Catholic perspective. They are the story of JP 2’s pontificate (the early day) - the challenges he was facing, and how he was facing them.

I do think it is plausible that Malachi was disingenuous regarding some aspects of his personal life (for the purpose of increasing his mystique and popularity and selling more books, probably), but he was orthodox and faithful (at a time when the Church was in major crisis and that was a minority position).

[A server at my parish knew Malachi personally and visited him in NY several times. One of these days, I’m going to have to strike up a conversation with that genteman.]
 
bilop,

I agree. He really thought some things were going on and was speaking out against it. If anything, he was zealous over the house of God. I have one of his exorcism books - Hostage to the Devil. I really like the book. However, he does seem to sensationalize the stories a bit to make it more appealing. He presents tons of factual information with a sensational flair.

I like him 👍

Peace…

MW
I’ve just started that book, and two others :o

So hpefully I’ll finish it in the next few months.

I put great stock in the fact that Cardinals Cooke and O’Conor never suspended his faculties.

God Bless
 
I put great stock in the fact that Cardinals Cooke and O’Conor never suspended his faculties.

A clear example of the triumph of mercy over justice.

Many priests have faculties who are not orthodox.
 
I put great stock in the fact that Cardinals Cooke and O’Conor never suspended his faculties.

A clear example of the triumph of mercy over justice.

Many priests have faculties who are not orthodox.
Yes, but he wasn’t from NY, and he had no real conection to NY.

There was no need for them to welcome him as a functioning priest in their diocese if they thought he was unorthodox.

God Bless
 
Yes, but he wasn’t from NY, and he had no real conection to NY.

There was no need for them to welcome him as a functioning priest in their diocese if they thought he was unorthodox.

God Bless
I don’t pretend to know what the Cardinals were thinking or their motives. I did, however, live in New York for a period of time and know that it is a city with a very wide range of Catholic expression.

The Church was much more tolerant of eccentricity in those days.
Some of our uberconservative brothers and sisters are in agreement with some of M.M.s points. But if Fr. Martin in 2008 was out ranting about satanic ritual and human blood sacrifice in the papal curia I don’t think the Holy Father would find it amusing.

May Christ hold you in the palm of His hand.
 
I read Martin’s “Hostage To The Devil”. Gave me the willies. Then I read Fr. Gabriel Amorth’s book “An Exorcist Tells His Story”, and felt a bit better.

Fr. Amorth attributes far less power to the Infernal than does Martin. He seems quite cheerful, given what he has to deal with, whereas the Martin book is terribly depressing; both the exorcists and possessed suffer appallingly.

That’s what put me off. Even a bush-league occultist should be able to protect himself against psychic assault, never mind an exorcist.

Fr. Amorth said he cloaked himself in the mantle of the Virgin Mary, as he had a special devotion to her. Seems about right.
 
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