Malaysian churches attacked in row over use of 'Allah'

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No, it isn’t. It’s not a proper name when Christians use it (we have had threads here before where Arab Christians explained how the different religious communities use and view the word; it is very interesting). It really is the noun used in Arabic for “God”, whether or not you also believe it to be a proper name (as Muslims apparently do).

There is some debate as to where exactly “Allah” comes from, as there is some grammatical trouble with getting “Allah” from “al-Illah” if you go any deeper than just assuming it is a contraction.

Because, as you yourself recognize, they see “Allah” as a proper name - a personal pronoun as well as a noun.

To answer this, we must understand that the word ‘allah’ is declared as the personal name of the islam’s entity of worship. This is a thoroughly accepted understanding amongst Islamic academics.

The quran quotes in 17:110‘“Call upon Allah, or Call upon Rahman; By whatever Name ye call upon him, (it is well):

Um…but that IS what it means. “La ilaha illa Allah” means “there is no god but God”. In Muhammad’s context, surrounded by Jews and gnostic Christians, but also many pagans among his own people, it would make sense to declare this to say that “Allah” (which, yes, was the name of the supreme diety in the pre-Islamic, pagan Arab pantheon) is the only one of the many gods being worshiped that is worthy of worship.,

Because they aren’t the same word…why is this so difficult to understand? We Christians may talk about the gods of other religions, which don’t receive the reverential capitalization given to God because they are something other than what we recognize as God. In fact, you’ll see in many translations of the Bible that GOD is given in all capitals. It’s not an accident, just as it is not an accident that Arabic speakers use “Allah”.

As it is for Christians, too, and not only Arabic speakers (have you ever met a Maltese person? They use “Alla”, because their language ultimately descends from Arabic). Again, where is the problem? Just because we use the same word does not mean we have the same theology. If I pray in Arabic, I will use Allah and not feel in the least bit uncomfortable with it.

Um…no?

This is an awful analogy.

So does the fact that “Allah” was used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews to refer to “God” (“capital g” God) before Islam ever existed mean nothing to you? Muhammad/Islam did not invent this word. He picked it up from everyone around him - from the Christians and Jews as the name for GOD, from the pagans as the word for their supreme creator-god. It is the term that he could use to reach all communities, even if not all communities understand it the same. This is the same situation as there is today in the middle east regarding “Allah”.

I think it is a deeply flawed argument, which perhaps makes more sense to an American than to others as we by and large subscribe to either a monotheistic faith or no faith. Not so in Arabia in the time before Islam, where paganism coexisted with Christianity and Judaism, so it would have made a lot of sense to distinguish between god and God. Perhaps it would help to read this article, written by a certified Arabic translator on the subject. After that, if you are still interested, there is an entire book devoted to this called “Arabic, Islam, and the Allah Lexicon : How Language Shapes Our Conception of God” (ed. John A. Morrow) that would probably satisfy you (I write “probably” because I haven’t read it myself, but I hear it is very good).
I don’t think you know what you’re typing. Not a proper name when christians use it??? But a proper name when muslims use it??? What kind of absurdity is that?!

You have FAILED to admit the fact that the quran declares ‘allah’ as a NAME.

You have FAILED to admit that the correct translation of there is no god but god = La ilaha illa ilaha by not even addressing the point of contention - allah before using it.

You may not be a muslim who agrees with the other muslims who acknowledge allah as a unique name, just like many terrorist muslims disagree with moderate muslims. And I’m fine with it.

**1 John 2:22 - Who is the Liar? He is the Antichrist who denies the Father (God) and the Son (Jesus).
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I don’t think you know what you’re typing.
Please don’t get me started. I’m not going to throw my credentials around, but it is sufficient to say that if one of us must be typing without knowing what they’re talking about, it’s not me.
Not a proper name when christians use it??? But a proper name when muslims use it??? What kind of absurdity is that?!
No kind of absurdity. Read this thread (which I alluded to earlier when I said we have had threads about this before), particularly the posts by user inJESUS (starting post #7), who is a Christian Arab.
You have FAILED to admit the fact that the quran declares ‘allah’ as a NAME.
No I haven’t. I admitted that in the first paragraph of the post you responded to when I wrote “whether or not you also believe it (Allah) to be a proper name” (as Muslims apparently do)".
You have FAILED to admit that the correct translation of there is no god but god = La ilaha illa ilaha by not even addressing the point of contention - allah before using it.
Because it isn’t. “La illaha ila Allah” is the correct translation for “there is no god but God”. Because of Islam’s belief in its own form of strict monotheism, it would make no sense to say what you have written as some sort of profession of faith.
You may not be a muslim who agrees with the other muslims who acknowledge allah as a unique name, just like many terrorist muslims disagree with moderate muslims. And I’m fine with it.
Huh? :confused: Um…okay…as long as you’re fine with it…whatever it is!
 
The best thing you can do is go to malaysia, and appeal to the court and explain them your point, until then the Malaysian court is correct that Catholics can use the word allah.
Christians should STOP Using the word ‘allah’ synonymous with god, because it is blasphemous.

It is a common understanding amongst muslims, that the word ‘allah’ means ‘the-god’. It is made up of 2 distinct arabic words, ‘al’ meaning ‘the’ and ‘ilah’ meaning ‘god’.

What this means is that there is already an arabic word for the noun – god. Which is ILAH.

So the question is, why then do muslims use ‘allah’ synonymously for the regular noun of ‘god’ instead of using ‘ilah’?

To answer this, we must understand that the word ‘allah’ is declared as the personal name of the islam’s entity of worship. This is a thoroughly accepted understanding amongst Islamic academics.

The quran quotes in 17:110‘“Call upon Allah, or Call upon Rahman; By whatever Name ye call upon him, (it is well):

Next, note the Islamic call ‘La ilaha illa Allah’ which means, ‘There is no god but allah’. Now try substituting the word ‘allah’ with ‘the-god’ and you have ‘There is no god but the god’. Which is evidently syntactically in error unless one accepts the word ‘allah’ to mean ‘god’. Which would instead make the statement rather absurd since it would then mean ‘There is no god but god’.

Calligraphic writings of allah and god is also entirely different. See: www.arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

What Christians should ask themselves is, so what now? Even Christians in the middle east refer to god as allah? Remember this, in a large community of muslims, there is NO REPLACEMENT for the word ‘god’ EXCEPT allah. Over these thousands of years the name of allah has been morphed to mean ‘god’ due to constant reference and ignorance. But some simple checks and logic will reveal to you that the word is shockingly misplaced.

‘GOD’ is a title conferred on the one and only omnipotent creator. Just like ‘President’ is a title. If I say ‘Obama’ is President, it probably would be correct for the next 3 years but only within the boundaries of USA, but if I say ‘McCain’ is President, then I must have either made a typographical error or I am seriously delusional.

“There is no President but McCain”? Sounds like treason to you? Well it is, at least spiritually speaking (‘there is no god but allah”?). It has always been treason. Treason from one who has always wanted to be god.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

Let me know if you think this understanding is in error, but only with valid points of argument.
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