Male Servers Lead to Priests and Deacons

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In some areas (where it is a good vocation for those with no hope of getting an inheritance, wish to go to college where it is not the norm or other less than religious reasons) they still are.

Many things have changed and that is reflected in the number of priests.

Back to this topic - God never limited his call to those who are/were altar servers.
Don’t play games with this one. Save the red herrings for your supper and the straw dogs as decorations.

I have no question that serving Mass by males is a wonderful way to foster any priestly vocation they might have been given by God.

If my life depended on increasing vocations to the priesthood, you can bet one of the things I would do is build a huge and strong altar boy group.
 
It is a fact that many fine Irish priests went to seminary because they were determined to be ‘only good for the books’.

These were often men with no hope of inheriting any land and did not have much aptitude for a trade.

In the last 15 yrs or so with major changes in Ireland the numbers in seminary have dropped.

Other parts of the world seem to be repeating this cycle.
 
It is a fact that many fine Irish priests went to seminary because they were determined to be ‘only good for the books’.

These were often men with no hope of inheriting any land and did not have much aptitude for a trade.

In the last 15 yrs or so with major changes in Ireland the numbers in seminary have dropped.

Other parts of the world seem to be repeating this cycle.
Why pollute this thread with that?

And so you know, the priesthood was not the fall-back. You have it backwards.
 
Back to this topic - God never limited his call to those who are/were altar servers.
True, there are a few exceptions. But He seems to bestow that Grace more on those who were servers that those who were not.

Here is what the CDWDS had to say
The Holy See respects the decision adopted by certain Bishops for specific local reasons on the basis of the provisions of Canon 230 2. At the same time, however, the Holy See wishes to recall that it will always be very appropriate to follow the noble tradition of having boys serve at the altar. As is well known, this has led to a reassuring development of priestly vocations. Thus the obligation to support such groups of altar boys will always continue.
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There is no question that serving at the altar fosters vocations to the priesthood and permanent diaconate. Absolutely none – at least based on the two parishes I attend.
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Why don’t more parishes just work-through the excuses and make the commitment to identify, recruit and train males who might just possibly have such vocations from God to serve at the altar? Yes, it might take a huge effort – an effort long handled by sisters and nuns teaching in our schools who are often no longer around.

You want to increase priests? This seems like it would be one sure step…
I agree with your assessment. This is especially true with some of the posters on this Forum. They complain about everything that is wrong with Church,is because of Vatican II.

You said that Sisters and Nuns helped foster vocations to the priesthood.And that they are often no longer around. Yes this is true in some places. Which to say there is need also to help foster young girls and women to think about a religious vocation to
being a Sister or a Nun. In fact maybe we need more religious women and also religious men as Brothers. In the debate on the lack of priestly vocations, we are missing the need to discuss
and encourage people to consider religious life. They are important
to the whole Church.

So, what is being done and could be done? Well I can only
comment on my local parish and Archdiocese. In my parish,our Pastor, Father G. talks about himself being a priest with the many
blessings and joys he has received and continues to receive. He said that he won’t change a thing about becoming a priest. At this time we have 4 young men (High school seniors & early college)
considering the priesthood. Granted they are only looking at the possibility of becoming a priest, but at least that’s a step in the right direction. Oh, by the way these young men are the product of our parish Life Teen program ( Some people totally hate LT).We
encourage them to become a priest.

In the Archdiocese of Los Angeles there are currently 52seminarians at various stages. Not too bad for a “unorthodox” Archdiocese. Although, it could be better. We take what the Holy Spirit gives us right? We always look at the numbers game from human standards, and not God’s. With God He always starts something with just a few in the beginning. Then after awhile it builds and then takes off. The result may take years to accomplish.

The Archdiocese has started something new. During this years Youth Day, all parishes that had someone interested in becoming a priest or a religious Sister were to send two from the that parish to a luncheon. At this luncheon, the Cardinal,some of the Regional
Bishops and a couple of Sisters sat with the young people. They had hot dogs, got some free things, chance to talk with aforementioned and a workshop talk by Bob Mc Carty ( a well known Catholic workshop presenter on Youth Ministry/Con-
formation). The four young men from my parish were in attendance
I don’t know the particulars of this luncheon. I was only the adult male champonone who just walked them over to drop them off. And to pick them up afterwards.

There is a very good DVD resource available.
“FISHERS OF MEN” - 18 minutes-Color
Secretariat for Vocations and Priestly Formation
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
The video has several priests talk about their vocation and the fulfillment of being a priest. It’s fast-paced that shows the facets of
a priests daily lives. There is also a reenactment of a young priest
at the scene of a car accident administering the Sacrament of Healing which turns out to be the Last Rites to a young man. The
video is also meant to encourage men to consider the priesthood.
Where can you get it? Try your parish,they may have a copy. If not try your Archdiocesan or Diocesan Office for Vocations. If none of them have it, go to www.usccb.org****

NOTE: The DVD comes with a Overview and discussion questions
Spanish Audio & Subtitles
 
Why pollute this thread with that?

And so you know, the priesthood was not the fall-back. You have it backwards.
Are you sure about that? Why do the much poorer countries export priests to the US then?

Careful, don’t let pride cloud reality. :cool:
 
Sorry – can’t answer your question. Latin is a dead language and nobody knows it anymore. 😉
Don’t tell me that you’re going to seriously argue that when the Mass was said exclusively in Latin that everyone knew how to speak the language.
 
Are you sure about that? Why do the much poorer countries export priests to the US then?

Careful, don’t let pride cloud reality. :cool:
Hmmm…the US has to import priests from other countries because it can’t foster enough of its own vocations.

Who REALLY is the poorer?
 
Don’t tell me that you’re going to seriously argue that when the Mass was said exclusively in Latin that everyone knew how to speak the language.
Nope, they all stood, sat and kneeled as taught by rote and observed the sacrifce of the Mass, some of them saying their rosaries while doing so. 👍
 
As I live in the United States, I speak English, thanks :rolleyes:
As I am Catholic, I looked it up…
Latin is the official language of the Church we should embrace it.
Here is the translation

Cum mortuis in lingua mortua?
With the dead in a dead language?

Embrace Catholicism, it has many things of beauty, music, language, art, tradition, you don’t have to like it all but support Catholicism and enjoy what parts you fit into.

Back to the subject, male servers lead to Priests and Deacons, which is true, since only female servers would deprive boys of serving and therefore squash imitation and vocations. That is the agenda of the female server crowd and the female priest crowd, it is no secret.

God Bless
Scylla
 
Back to the subject, male servers lead to Priests and Deacons, which is true, since only female servers would deprive boys of serving and therefore squash imitation and vocations. That is the agenda of the female server crowd and the female priest crowd, it is no secret.

God Bless
Scylla
A perhaps relevant, but yet unproven theory. 🙂
 
A perhaps relevant, but yet unproven theory. 🙂
Until someone pays for a comprehensive study of the issue, we’ll have to rely on common sense and anecdotal observations.

Since a survey may not happen for a while, here’s a test for all of us: why not ask our priests if their vocation was sparked at least in part by having served as an altar boy? I’d bet that at least 50% would indicate the affirmative.
 
Until someone pays for a comprehensive study of the issue, we’ll have to rely on common sense and anecdotal observations.

Since a survey may not happen for a while, here’s a test for all of us: why not ask our priests if their vocation was sparked at least in part by having served as an altar boy? I’d bet that at least 50% would indicate the affirmative.
Based on those I know- you would lose the bet.
 
Hmmm…the US has to import priests from other countries because it can’t foster enough of its own vocations.

Who REALLY is the poorer?
The US has always been a place people from other countries want to come to - either for the short term or the long term.

That includes priests and always has - even when we were hip deep in ‘our own’.
 
Are you sure about that? Why do the much poorer countries export priests to the US then?

Careful, don’t let pride cloud reality. :cool:
Pick-up a history book or two sometime. “Careful” they won’t bite.
 
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