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edwest2
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May God bless him for speaking up.
Peace,
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Timothysis
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Agreed.
And what, exactly, is your comment about the book? You say it is about sad-masochism. What does that mean? Do you even truly know about BDSM? The objection of those people into BDSM is that this book is a total misrepresentation of what they do. How, then can we comment on it intelligently if we haven’t read it?
With all due respect, your summation of Mein Kempf and City of God doesn’t tell us anything about them. I have read parts of Mein Kempf and it is just socialistic political rambling. No where will you find allusions to world war, deportations and gas chambers. The City of God, true, is a “great and important book about the faith” but that could be said for a great many books. My question is, what would be your reply to a protestant or atheist who, without reading it, simply dismissed The City of God as “garbage,” or “claptrap,” or even “pig’s food.” Would you simply accept their critique knowing that they are personally unfamiliar with it or challenge them for not being able to make an intellectual statement about it?
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Timothysis
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Ed,
You’re in the book business. How would you guys react to a review of one of your books that was written by a reviewer who based their opinion, not on actually reading the book, but by relying on what third parties had to say about it, especially if it negatively impacted sales?
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Bruised_Reed
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Because deciding to read or not read a book and editing are the same thing.
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Timothysis
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Because deciding to read or not read a book and editing are the same thing.
No, because our poster is of such literary fortitude that he can simply read a couple of extracts of a book and make a final determination whether said book is worthy of attention.One could take excerpts from the book A Clockwork Orange and think it the most idiotic, nonsensical thing ever written. So what does that prove?
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Prodigal_40s
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Orogeny
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I know what BDSM is. I think that I can comment on that without having experienced it just as I can comment on child molestation without having either been a molester or having been molested.
Regarding comments from people who are into BDSM, so what? Is BDSM only one thing? If there is a variation from what those who commented practice, is it still BDSM? Does the use of gags, clips, flogs, etc… qualify as BDSM?
You see, you seem to be saying that the AUTHOR of the books cannot comment on BDSM because her vision of the act is different than the people you refer to. Nonsense, and this is where you push your point too far.
I didn’t give a summary of either. I made a statement about both. I cannot summarize, but I understand what each book is about.
How about the “Jewish peril”? Can I claim that Mein Kampf blames much of post-WWI Germany’s problems on Jews?
So?
Here is the problem I have with your argument and I think the problem that others have as well. Do we need to be able to defend FSOG? Or are you simply saying that we should be silent on the books/film because we haven’t read/seen it? Or are you saying that you reject all of our concerns because we have not read/seen it?
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Bruised_Reed
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It’s nothing about which to to get your grunders bunched up. It’s a gift. Not everyone has it. What can I say?
One could take excerpts from the book A Clockwork Orange and think it the most idiotic, nonsensical thing ever written. So what does that prove?
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Timothysis
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I would say a little of both.
A fundamental process in a court of law is that evidence be presented in order to pass judgement on a person or a legal situation. I happen to be of the opinion that the same applies to legitimate criticism of anything. If one is to pass judgement, then one must be knowledgable of the subject. It is one thing to have a personal opinion about something but to dismiss it as “trash” or “garbage” or, my new favorite, " pigs food" without experiencing it smacks of immaturity to me. The great translator Sir Richard Francis Burton translated the entire Arabian Nights into a popular English version, complete with all the “naughty” parts. About the Marquis de Sade’s novel Juliette, though, he said he wouldn’t walk across the room for it. His was a knowledgeable, informed opinion, much different than the near blind hysteria we see here. But in the end it is what it is and people will think what they think, so I concur with King Solomon when he said that there is nothing new under the sun.
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Bruised_Reed
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Where do you see hysteria? You seem more passionate or invested about your position than everyone else on the thread combined. The articles that have been linked seemed earnest (a pet peeve) but not hysterical. “Blind” hysteria is so far off the mark it’s not worth commenting.
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ChurchSuffering
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Hahahahahaha the chosen one!!!It’s nothing about which to to get your grunders bunched up. It’s a gift. Not everyone has it. What can I say?
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Bruised_Reed
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You made my day.Hahahahahaha the chosen one!!!
“Into every generation a slayer is born: one girl in all the world, a chosen one. She alone will wield the strength and skill to fight banal characters, poor punctuation and grammar, and boring reading lists and assignments; to stop the spread of their evil and the swell of their number. She is the Slayer.”
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ChurchSuffering
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You forgot the part about how she makes sure people don’t get their grunders bunched up!!!You made my day.
“Into every generation a slayer is born: one girl in all the world, a chosen one. She alone will wield the strength and skill to fight banal characters, poor punctuation and grammar, and boring reading lists and assignments; to stop the spread of their evil and the swell of their number. She is the Slayer.”
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Robert_Sock
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Do you need to watch every porn film made before calling it all pig’s food, or can you generalize at some point?
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Jeanne_S
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Are you intentionally keeping this thread open as practice for debate team?If so,your in big trouble winning any points here.
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Timothysis
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And yet, it still continues…
If you can’t accurately post your own thoughts about whether or not to continue in this thread, then how is anyone to take your thoughts on the topic seriously?Are you intentionally keeping this thread open as practice for debate team?If so,your in big trouble winning any points here.
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Jeanne_S
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impulse control,I guess…
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Jon_Mallory
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You seem to hold to some kind solipsism. If someone hasn’t experienced a book or even some work of erotica (I admit the distinction from pornography, but it is a very narrow distinction and still presents obvious dangers from the perspective of Catholic morality), you cannot speak on it. What you’re saying though seems to be akin to saying “if you haven’t gone to antarctica, you can’t say it is cold because you haven’t experienced it”. This position seems to be based on the premise that the individual is his/her own epistemological authority. The only thing the self knows is itself and what it experiences. This kind of thinking rules out faith and reason entirely because the only person that can be trusted is oneself.
I understand that someone can’t critique a book’s literary style without reading it but why not its moral content?
Also, is 50 shades of grey academic literature?
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Jeanne_S
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Nailed it!
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Bunny_Rabbit
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I’m worried that “boycotting” will backfire and attract more attention to it. Many in Hollywood view any publicity as good publicity. Because people often go see a controversial movie just to see what the fuss is.
I think just quietly ignoring the movie is best. But if a friend tells you their going to see it, you could recommend something else. Or to try to keep it from dominating the box office you could go see something else on the day it comes out.
I think just quietly ignoring the movie is best. But if a friend tells you their going to see it, you could recommend something else. Or to try to keep it from dominating the box office you could go see something else on the day it comes out.
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