Malta bishop threatens to suspend priests

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So very true. Ginny89. This it how it works on CAF.
Ginny89 said:
Let the tyranny continue! SJW tactics to silence disagreements galore. I guess priests faithful to the magisterium are the only ones who must never obey their conscience.
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Ginny89 said:
Let the tyranny continue! SJW tactics to silence disagreements galore. I guess priests faithful to the magisterium are the only ones who must never obey their conscience.
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You DO realize that Don Ruggero is a learned and faithful priest, do you not? It is against forum rules to be rude and that is especially so when replying to clergy on this forum.
 
Ginny89 said:
Let the tyranny continue! SJW tactics to silence disagreements galore. I guess priests faithful to the magisterium are the only ones who must never obey their conscience.
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So very true. Ginny89. This it how it works on CAF.
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Yes indeed. And if this gets me penalized or banned for violating the “no attacks on clergy” rule, then so be it.

The priests here are fond of dismissing laity here as being ignorant and of not knowing what we’re talking about. But they are wrong, and I think it’s time we laity, be it here in the forums or outside of it, make it known that we can no longer be cowed or silenced by priests who just prefer to argue back by saying things like “I’m a priest, he’s a bishop, so shut up” or by prefixing every post with “As a priest…” or “You have no credentials so you’re coming from a position of ignorance” and “that’s nonsense” while just drinking the Kool-Aid.
pnewton said:
No. If you think this is possible, you are mistaken about what is happening. I would suggest looking to some source more reliable than LSN.
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Then why don’t YOU tell us what the Maltese bishops REALLY said by quoting the appropriate paragraph that makes it “not possible”? Don’t knock the source if the document is generally available.

Because we have the paragraph that says otherwise.

Come on. This is a time of fog and confusion coming all the way from Rome itself. This is not the time for riddles. Educate us. What did they REALLY say that’s not consistent with what Josh said?

It’s time you clerics here treated us laity here with some credit.
 
pnewton said:
What is SJW?
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Liberal Social justice warriors on campuses shut down all debate by preventing people from saying what they disagree with. They dont debate they shut down. I just notice a few of those tactics here in a few places. If someone is not insulting I dont understand the instinct to shut them up. It looks so SJW to me.
 
This is an interesting development, to say the least. The guidelines from the Malta bishops are very troubling to say the least and likely damaging to the Church and the faithful, but I am doubtful that any priests would defy their bishops, openly at least. But you never know; it would be interesting if it came to that, and I kind of hope it does just so I can see what happens. This issue is going to have to be resolved at some point, whether in a month or a decade, so might as well get things started sooner rather than later.
 
Just to be clear, I do not know what was said that might be construed as a threat. I will sit on this for a while. If nothing turns up soon, then that would be good evidence this is just gossip.
 
Ginny89 said:
Liberal Social justice warriors on campuses shut down all debate by preventing people from saying what they disagree with. They dont debate they shut down. I just notice a few of those tactics here in a few places. If someone is not insulting I dont understand the instinct to shut them up. It looks so SJW to me.
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Got it. I am not very knowledgeable about the language of the right or left. I believe in promoting social justice, but warrior? That’s kind of cute.

I have a mixed opinion about the actual point. I guess people have the right to exchange ignorance. In this case, we really know very little apart from the document the Malta bishops put out and the statement they made after about why. I know nothing of threats, and such words would be inconsistent with Amoris Laetitia, where the priest is a partner, not a puppet in what was called the process of accompaniment.
 
TMC said:
So now the Pope and the bishops are King Herod
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I never said that.
TMC said:
and whatever hacks churn out lifesitenews are John the Baptist?
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I never said that either, I don’t know much about lifesitenews, however, I have heard plenty regarding the ambiguity in AL over this subject (e.g. Dubia), I have heard of other sources regarding the Bishops of Malta saying okay to communion for the divorced and remarried citing AL, and if that is the case, then this is only the next logical step.

So the Bishops of Malta have said ‘no’ to communion for the divorced and remarried? If so then I apologies and retract everything I have said and will put this down to fake news. I have not seen that reported anywhere yet.
TMC said:
I thought you were Catholic?
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I am Catholic. The Catholic Church has always taught and upheld the indissolubility of marriage. This is what caused King Henry to break away from the Catholic Church and create the Church of England.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
pnewton said:
No. If you think this is possible, you are mistaken about what is happening. I would suggest looking to some source more reliable than LSN.
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Do you have one you could provide me please?

Thank you and God Bless
 
josh987654321 said:
Do you have one you could provide me please?

Thank you and God Bless
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I searched and this story isn’t in the news anywhere. 🤷 It isn’t something the Archbishop of Malta has put out.

thechurchinmalta.org/en/

Not everything on the internet is true. Yet one cannot prove it is untrue. This is the nature of the internet today. I cannot provide what doesn’t exist.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
I have less than zero confidence in “Lifesite News.”
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Precisely. Lifesitenews I have found to be hysterical and alarmist. I avoid them completely as I find little credibility and no peace there.

As to obedience, Saint Francis vowed slavish obedience to his Bishop in all save for sin. Oh, if we only had that today!
 
Don_Ruggero said:
The bishops of Malta are quite gifted and knowledgeable ecclesiastics.

I find it outrageous that people are daring to speak against them when they very clearly have no idea who it is they are even talking about.
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What happened to the Church of accompaniment and mercy? Of discussion and discernment? Or is that only open to those who agree with a particular position?
Don_Ruggero said:
If a priest does not submit with all deference to the bishop to whom he owes complete obedience, he invites suspension.
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Was that also your position regarding the immediate suspension of those priests who practiced open Communion between 1981 when Familiaris Consortio was issued and 2016 when Amoris Laetitia was issued? Or against those who dissent on Humanae Vitae?
 
irishcolleen45 said:
Is this possible? He wants the priests to go against Church’s teachings.
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No, I don’t think so. I think it is only hearsay. W cannot make comment on mere allegation without hearing from the Bishop himself. There is nothing good that can come out in speculating about our Church Clergy, not to mention it is not a very Catholic thing.
 
pnewton said:
thechurchinmalta.org/en/
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Archbishop Charles J. Scicluna and Bishop Mario Grech have drawn up guidelines for priests, for the application of Chapter VIII of the Apostolic Exhortation of Pope Francis Amoris Laetitia (The Joy of Love). This chapter is an invitation to mercy and pastoral discernment in the light of various social realities present today.
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The Bishops explain that these guidelines for priests are aimed at accompanying people to an awareness of their life situation in the light of Jesus. “This message is also relevant to the couples and families who find themselves in complex situations, especially those involving separated or divorced persons who have entered a new union. Although they may have lost their first marriage, some of these persons have not lost their hope in Jesus. Some of these earnestly desire to live in harmony with God and with the Church, so much so, that they are asking us what they can do in order to be able to celebrate the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.” The Bishops invite all those people who are in such a situation, and who are seeking help to continue to enlighten their conscience, to seek the assistance of a priest to accompany them.
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Pnewton, given what’s said in the link you provided, have you ever heard of the expression ‘read between the lines’?

Nevertheless, if this is all there is at the moment, I agree not to jump to conclusions, so I will just wait a little longer to see what happens.

For what it’s worth I hope I’m wrong.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
From Fr. Zuhlsdorf:
wdtprs.com/blog/2017/01/have-priests-of-malta-been-threatened-with-suspension-if-they-resist-the-maltese-fiasco/
Translation:
“We were told by reliable and trustworthy people, whose identity we know but for obvious reasons we cannot reveal, that in these last few days, Bp. Mario Grech (Bishop of Gozo, in the photo) on his return from Rome THREATENED priest of his diocese in Malta to “prohibit them from saying Mass if they don’t support the directives about Amoris laetitia written with Bishop Scicluna. … Hence, he threads suspension a divinis (or rather interdict to celebrate publicly) for Maltese priests who do not give Communion to the divorced and remarried.”

If you read German, here is the original:
katholisches.info/2017/01/19/malta-bischof-droht-priestern-mit-suspendierung-wenn-sie-ehebrechern-die-kommunion-verweigern/

And Here:
ewtn.co.uk/news/commonwealth/maltese-bishop-threatens-priests-will-be-suspended-a-divinis-for-refusing-communion-to-divorced-remarried

With all charity, this is insane if true! I realize that there is a split in opinions between Conservative minded Catholics and those of a more liberal persuasion, But for Bishops to order, under threat of censure, their Priests to commit Sacrilege( if that is the case) is beyond the pale. :signofcross: Holy Mother of God, Pray for our Bishops and Priests to remain Faithful to your Son.
 
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