Man jailed for racist internet post

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Whitacre_Girl said:
I’m from the United States and as Catholic as they get…

Jailing him was wrong. I understand the UK doesn’t have the same laws as we do about freedom of speech, but I do believe the right to say whatever you want is a basic human right. Yes, what he said was wrong, but I will defend his right to say it. I just wish he would have chosen not to, and to not be filled with such hate.
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Right as usual, Whitacre_Girl.
Like I said, Great Britain is not really that Great anymore. And I say that with the greatest sadness, too. Years ago, I woukld actually have told you the place I would have lived in if I could not live in the US would have been great Britain. Unfortunately, NOT anymore.
The European secular influence has overhwelmed them.

Think about it, also----if you could go to jail over here for simply WISHING somebody was dead, not actually THREATENING to do do something, where would that stop? Half the country would be in jail. I would hope most Catholics would not stoop that low and sin so far that would wish death on soemone-----but should they then spend eight months in jail for it? :eek:

Sheesh. :rolleyes:
Through the Prayers of the Mother of God, have mercy on us and save us. Amen.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Ironically, people say that today, yet I had a female and Asian-descended hairdresser I used to go to that had no problem using that term.

Had a total, almost stereotypical southern accent as well----on the phone, you would NEVER suspect she was Asian. Name was Janet.

And to reiterate, she had NO problem saying the word “Oriental.” Like she would ask me----“You like to date Oriental girls?” 🙂

I actually had to tell her, "Believe it or not, the term ‘Oriental’ is considered politically incorrect nowadays. You can’t say it anymore. Considered offensive. People say----‘Oriental is a carpet.’ The preferred term now is ‘Asian’ or ‘Asian-American.’ "

She would say: “Really? I did not know that. Had no idea. I’ve always said Oriental or Asian. I guess I have no problem with it.”

Me, jokingly: “Guess you are subtly ‘undermining’ your race,” then," I would smile.

She would then smile back and say: “I guess I am, then.”

Ultimately, the whole deal about replacing certain terms with others for siome imagined “racism” is just silly to me.
And yes, I DO understand that not all Asians would feel like Janet.
I just think that it is a massive overrreaction on the part of some to read “insult,” “racism,” and “very politically incorrect” into everything.
And yes, there IS still racism on ALL sides in this country.
The paranoia about it, though, has gotten out of hand.

You can start the flaming now. :rolleyes:
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I had no idea that oriental was considered a racist term by anyone.
 
Darryl1958 said:
It was in Britain that a man got arrested for calling a bobbie’s horse a homosexual not too long ago.

I guess once they took a horses feelings into consideration, they couldn’t very well pretend that a Catholics’s feelings wouldn’t be almost that important as those of a horse.

Britain isn’t so much about individual freedoms anymore. It is all about group feelings, even if the group is a herd of horses. That group feelings now extend to Catholics, I must admit, took me back a little.

I wasn’t expecting that.:eek:
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Yes, indeed, Darryl.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I had no idea that oriental was considered a racist term by anyone.
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Believe it or not, it is.

Personally, I have had no Asian person tell me that personally and I’ve even heard occassionally some Asian-Americans like Janet say the term.

But yes, it IS considered racist or the very least insensitive in some circles. They will tell you straight out “Oriental is a rug, not a person, THANK YOU!!!” The “correct” term is supposed to be “Asian” or “Asian-American.”
Secular, godless insanity at its worst.

I personally say “Asian-American,” just to be safe. Youu never know whohas a VERY thin skin these days.
It is the same as you not being to say “black people” anymore. It is “African-American,” now. Although a goodportion of the black people I talk to actually have no problem saying “black” themsleves. And it is kind of confusing and worrisome with folks I have just met or are getting to know-------do I refer tothem as “this” or as “that?”

I remember a few years ago, a friend of mine that is “pigmentally dark” 😛 actually chided me for calling her “African-American”----she said “don’t be so ‘careful’, baby, just go ahead and call me black!!!” 😃

ANYWAY----to get back to the subject of this thread (I may be unintentionally derailing it)-----I agree with you post above this one. 👍
 
Trishie said:
The concern would be that others might act on the comments.
It only takes the spread of an idea in online networks to spark certain behaviors, like amassing of the uninvited at a private party.
The possibilities for wrongful and criminal consequences of posting on social networks can be serious, and anything hateful can, and has been, an incitement to evil acts.

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I personally see this as the Scottish authorities using “hate speech” as an excuse to crack down on the “ancient” football squabbles between Catholics and Protestants. Too bad. :rolleyes:
 
Digitonomy said:
“Fenian tattie farmers” is more a comment about national origin rather than race, but perhaps “race” has a broader connotation in Scotland than the US. The article doesn’t make clear exactly what law was violated. Presumably it includes both racial and religious threats, even though the headline was less elaborate.
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I would like to know more too.
 
I remember hearing that a Canadian pastor was charged with hate speech when saying that homosexuality is a sin.

A slippery slope, indeed.

PS – apologies if somebody already postulated in this direction… I confess I haven’t yet read all the posts.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Right as usual, Whitacre_Girl.
Like I said, Great Britain is not really that Great anymore. And I say that with the greatest sadness, too. Years ago, I woukld actually have told you the place I would have lived in if I could not live in the US would have been great Britain. Unfortunately, NOT anymore.
The European secular influence has overhwelmed them.

Think about it, also----if you could go to jail over here for simply WISHING somebody was dead, not actually THREATENING to do do something, where would that stop? Half the country would be in jail. I would hope most Catholics would not stoop that low and sin so far that would wish death on soemone-----but should they then spend eight months in jail for it? :eek:

Sheesh. :rolleyes:
Through the Prayers of the Mother of God, have mercy on us and save us. Amen.
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🙂

I just get the feeling that the “Civilized” world, isn’t all that civilized. 🤷
 
Vis_Fati said:
I remember hearing that a Canadian pastor was charged with hate speech when saying that homosexuality is a sin.

A slippery slope, indeed.

PS – apologies if somebody already postulated in this direction… I confess I haven’t yet read all the posts.
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Yes, it is heading over here, too…:o
 
I think you’ll find he was charged with a ‘Breach of the Peace’ offence aggravated by the comments at a time when there was a parcel bomb campaign against the Celtic football club manager. In other words, his actions, at such a time, were seen as encouraging activities that would bring harm to persons or property.

In Scotland (but not in England, I think), a ‘Breach of the Peace’ offence, in itself, can get you jail time.
 
I would say that instead of worrying about exporting democracy to countries by force, so-called civilized countries have a long way to go in defending freedom. Intolerance prevalent in England.
 
And droning on about how everybody falls down as compared with the American Way saves even having to bother noticing things like Scotland not being in England, stuff like that! 😃

Far, far too confusing, I expect.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-jailed-for-racist-internet-post-2371883.html

Read the above.
MY take: I agree what the guy said was idiotic and brain-dead-------but EIGHT months in jail for stating an (admittedly) stupid opinion on the internet???
I’m as Catholic as anybody else here and even I find this wrong.

He also did NOT say he was going to actually kill anybody----only that he WISHED we were dead.
And since when has Catholicism been considered a “race?” :confused:

I guess by the Scottish police standards, most of us here at one time or another will end up in jail for making “offensive, racist comments.” :rolleyes:
Oh, Great Britain, Great Britain-----you have abandoned reason and replaced it with PC madness…🤷

What do the Scottish and English folk think about this? And anybody else? 😦
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Unfortunately, the First Amendment is an exclusively American achievement. In Europe things are going from bad to worse with the freedom of speech. All are obsessed by political correctness which, in my opinion, is one of the most stupid concepts in the world.
 
Saying that a particular group of people should be die, in the context of zealous (and often violent) team rivalry, could be seen as inciting violence. Not sure if that was what he was charged with, but I see nothing wrong with the prison sentence.

Every right, including the right to free speech, is limited by responsibilities. I would not have a problem with him being jailed for saying he wished his his ‘nosy neighbors’ would all die, while in the middle of a neighborhood brawl. Doesn’t matter what the group is, wishing a defined group of people dead in the context of passionate rivalry, is unacceptable and worthy of punishment.
 
“America is greatest, best country that God has put on the face of the Earth.” Sean Hannity

That’s the attitude you are going to see around here.
 
ringil said:
“America is greatest, best country that God has put on the face of the Earth.” Sean Hannity

That’s the attitude you are going to see around here.
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Well, I certainly don’t think America is the “best.” We have our problems just like anyone else…but in this situation I am certainly glad to be an American where I won’t be jailed for exercising a basic human right such as freedom to say what I want.

I do think it’s weird here that most Catholics, who are the primary victim of this man’s comment, are defending his right to say that. Kinda funny. 😃
 
Hm, wouldn’t get much of an argument about the historical relations between Britain and Ireland out of me - I tend to avoid talking about things I know next to nothing about! 😃

I really liked the times we lived in the US but I avoid talking about American stories and politics completely, partly because I can’t to be bothered to understand the context of what is being talked about and partly because it really is none of my business - all part of a Douglas Adams’ ‘Somebody Else’s Problem Field’.
 
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