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Sirach14
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A sad,sad story.
tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=021706H
tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=021706H
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Toni
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Wow I did not realize that the senate housed another Jane Fonda! Sad indeed!
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Tantum_ergo
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I wish that I could say that I was surprised.
Methinks it is not the “man”, the subject of this story, who is without honor. . .
Methinks it is not the “man”, the subject of this story, who is without honor. . .
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estesbob
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Well I can think of a lot of reasons one may not want to honor pappy Boyington but his being a marine and shooting down the enemy are not among them.
If you research Boyingtons life you will see it is a lot more complex than him being the undisputed hero the article you linked to protrays.
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mary_bobo
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Could this be evidence ofthe kind of history they teach in schools these days? They don’t teach history unless it is of the revised variety. And students today have no idea how government works, what the three branches of government are. Don’t know why I should be surprised. Most of their parents don’t know who their representatives are.
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AndyF
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Sirach14:
Weather we fail in bestowing it or not, he is still honored in a higher place. I wonder if too much emphasis is placed on it today, and I think the jostling for highest spot is really manifest pride by the appointees.
On the other hand I recognize the necessity as an inspirator and emulator, but I wonder if we aren’t overdoing it, as a cause for competitive achievment.
Newadvent.org(Honour)
In opposition to the pagan doctrine of Aristotle the selfish worldliness of the Pharisees, the Christian attitude towards honours may be stated in a few words. Honour, being the due homage paid to worth is the chief among the external goods which man can enjoy. It may be lawfully sought for, but inasmuch as all worth is from God, and man of himself has nothing but sin, it must be referred toGod and sought only for His sake or for the good of one’s fellow-men. Honours, like riches, are dangerous gifts, and it is praiseworthy to renounce them out of love for Him who for our sakes was poor and despised. …
… Otherwise he(St. Francis) despised them as he does riches, and prefers to be poor and despised with Him Who was meek and humble of heart.
Andy
Weather we fail in bestowing it or not, he is still honored in a higher place. I wonder if too much emphasis is placed on it today, and I think the jostling for highest spot is really manifest pride by the appointees.
On the other hand I recognize the necessity as an inspirator and emulator, but I wonder if we aren’t overdoing it, as a cause for competitive achievment.
Newadvent.org(Honour)
In opposition to the pagan doctrine of Aristotle the selfish worldliness of the Pharisees, the Christian attitude towards honours may be stated in a few words. Honour, being the due homage paid to worth is the chief among the external goods which man can enjoy. It may be lawfully sought for, but inasmuch as all worth is from God, and man of himself has nothing but sin, it must be referred toGod and sought only for His sake or for the good of one’s fellow-men. Honours, like riches, are dangerous gifts, and it is praiseworthy to renounce them out of love for Him who for our sakes was poor and despised. …
… Otherwise he(St. Francis) despised them as he does riches, and prefers to be poor and despised with Him Who was meek and humble of heart.
Andy
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geezerbob
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I got this email from the Knights concerning the situation in Washington. Here’s the link to the rest of the article:
hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS By LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER, Ph.D.,author of “On Killing.” below)
****Date: **February 15, 2006 1:00:36 AM EST
**To: **“Edwards, Jill (student, UW)”
Subject: Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs
Miss Edwards, I read of your ‘student activity’ regarding the proposed
memorial to Col Greg Boyington, USMC and a Medal of Honor winner. I suspect
you will receive a bellyful of angry e-mails from conservative folks like
me. You may be too young to appreciate fully the sacrifices of generations
of servicemen and servicewomen on whose shoulders you and your fellow
students stand. I forgive you for the untutored ways of youth and your
naiveté.
It may be that you are, simply, a sheep. There’s no dishonor in being a
sheep - - as long as you know and accept what you are. Please take a couple
of minutes to read the following. And be grateful for the thousands - -
millions - - of American sheepdogs who permit you the freedom to express
even bad ideas.
Brett
ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS
By LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER, Ph.D.,author of “On Killing.”
Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so
because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things
that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time,
that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or
as always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth
defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William
J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24,
1997
http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS By LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER, Ph.D.,author of “On Killing.” below)
Just sent an article about Univ of Washington students voting down a statue to Pappy Boyington, and their reasons for doing so. The “student leaders” are already receiving (name removed by moderator)ut about their actions, as indicated by the following sent by a friend. My personal thanks, again, to all you old sheepdogs receiving this message.
**From:****Date: **February 15, 2006 1:00:36 AM EST
**To: **“Edwards, Jill (student, UW)”
Subject: Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs
Miss Edwards, I read of your ‘student activity’ regarding the proposed
memorial to Col Greg Boyington, USMC and a Medal of Honor winner. I suspect
you will receive a bellyful of angry e-mails from conservative folks like
me. You may be too young to appreciate fully the sacrifices of generations
of servicemen and servicewomen on whose shoulders you and your fellow
students stand. I forgive you for the untutored ways of youth and your
naiveté.
It may be that you are, simply, a sheep. There’s no dishonor in being a
sheep - - as long as you know and accept what you are. Please take a couple
of minutes to read the following. And be grateful for the thousands - -
millions - - of American sheepdogs who permit you the freedom to express
even bad ideas.
Brett
Sheepdog, retired
ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGSBy LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER, Ph.D.,author of “On Killing.”
Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so
because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things
that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time,
that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or
as always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth
defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William
J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24,
1997
http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
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AndyF
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geezerbob:
Who are we as lowly servants to take notice of our state and define what is of value? Do we feel ourselves deserving of that precious coat of pride? Is it not enough that we can take wonder on our existance through the grace of God and is proof enough what is here is deserving by our work?
“Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age.”
Vanity of vanities.? (Eccl.)
Even the dispute beween these subjects makes my point that vain honour is capable of producing, as this is an unjust accusation. The sheep may be indeed honouring those who deserve it in their own way, by their support of the infrastructure that made those honoured possible to carry out their tasks, perhaps not immediatly evident, but in their obedience to God.
I know the “Mrs. Edwards” of the nations personally. She’s the lady that sacrificed what she could in personal goods to the war effort. I honour her. She’s the one who provided sons without question for potential honour. I honour her. She’s the one who spent her days in greasy and dangerous war factories when she really should be at home with her children. I honour her. Finally she’s the one who will receive that letter of the loss of her honourable son. Inspite of the heart wrenching memories she will have, she will be barraged by letters of accusations and her right to free expressions of her opinions the honoured died defending. I honour her.
Your Knights have forgotten, there is another chest that we pin that medal on every time we do it to a son, who would not dare to receive it had he known the persecution it causes.
All this can be gained without the pursuit of personal honour. We can defend our nation out of our obligation to God and in defense of “His” honour that it brings. Humility or humblness of heart is better than honour in that it better expressess our true state as servants of God. As my quote pointed out, the dangers lay in not accrediting honour to God, and the finger pointing is evident of that crack in the door.
If we truly believe that we attach no cost to carry out God’s wishes, we should not expect to receive honours either.
Andy(RA, SP4, 3rd,30th Ret’d)
defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for?
Who are we as lowly servants to take notice of our state and define what is of value? Do we feel ourselves deserving of that precious coat of pride? Is it not enough that we can take wonder on our existance through the grace of God and is proof enough what is here is deserving by our work?
“Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age.”
Vanity of vanities.? (Eccl.)
Even the dispute beween these subjects makes my point that vain honour is capable of producing, as this is an unjust accusation. The sheep may be indeed honouring those who deserve it in their own way, by their support of the infrastructure that made those honoured possible to carry out their tasks, perhaps not immediatly evident, but in their obedience to God.
I know the “Mrs. Edwards” of the nations personally. She’s the lady that sacrificed what she could in personal goods to the war effort. I honour her. She’s the one who provided sons without question for potential honour. I honour her. She’s the one who spent her days in greasy and dangerous war factories when she really should be at home with her children. I honour her. Finally she’s the one who will receive that letter of the loss of her honourable son. Inspite of the heart wrenching memories she will have, she will be barraged by letters of accusations and her right to free expressions of her opinions the honoured died defending. I honour her.
Your Knights have forgotten, there is another chest that we pin that medal on every time we do it to a son, who would not dare to receive it had he known the persecution it causes.
All this can be gained without the pursuit of personal honour. We can defend our nation out of our obligation to God and in defense of “His” honour that it brings. Humility or humblness of heart is better than honour in that it better expressess our true state as servants of God. As my quote pointed out, the dangers lay in not accrediting honour to God, and the finger pointing is evident of that crack in the door.
If we truly believe that we attach no cost to carry out God’s wishes, we should not expect to receive honours either.
Andy(RA, SP4, 3rd,30th Ret’d)
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