Mandatory Arabic Classes Coming To Mansfield

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I wish I would have been exposed to something like that in school.
Me, too. Children learn languages so much more easily than adults. I begged my sister to enroll her daughters in programs with instructors who would teach them Spanish or any other language. She didn’t (maybe there weren’t any programs where she lived) and now it’s too late for either to easily pick up a language or two.

I used to deal with store owners who were originally from Mexico and spoke very little English. My Spanish is bad. So I’d grab a kid who was innocently walking by and ask him to translate. They always did. They picked up English from TV and spoke it fluently.
 
I’m currently reading the book, “Mother Tongue: English & How It Got That Way,” by Bll Bryson.

Pretty much confirms what you said.

In fact, at one time, French was the official language of England.

King George I, spoke German and French, but little English.

Jim
I would be interested in reading that book. Might clear some things up for me. One other thing I read, and which I found interesting, is that English has three “modes” of speaking. One is more heavily latinate, which people tend to use when they are talking about scientific or technical things. Another is heavily Frenchified, which is prevalent in business. The third is heavily Teutonic, which tends to be the language of hearth, home and very casual conversation.

Three times I have asked extremely good Spanish translators, whose first language was not English, how much of a “mixed” conversation they really understand. (e.g., the conversation at a break in a business meeting, which jumps from business to sports to kids, women, or whatever) and their answer is always “about 2/3 to 3/4”. The “Anglo-Saxon” part is the part with which they are least familiar. And it isn’t just the words. It’s also the fact that there are many ways of saying almost everything, each with a slightly different nuance of meaning. In some places, particularly in the South and in border areas, people might jump from a “city” way of informal speaking to a very different “country” way of speaking, and back again, just depending on the context and the nature of the hearers. To add to it, where I live at least, there are several “country” ways of speaking.

There are, evidently, also certain “literary forms” in English that are different. I read a statement by a man who writes very popular novels in Spanish. A native of Argentina, his grandmother was English and he attended Oxford, so he is very good at both languages. He cited Kipling’s “Harp Song of the Dane Women” as an example of an English poem that couldn’t be translated into Spanish without simply turning it into a bumpy descriptive essay. The reason was that, in addition to the use of a lot of Anglo-Saxon words, it is written in a sort of “Scandinavian mode” that is intelligible to English speakers but not to Spanish speakers. Kipling, of course, wanted the poem to have a recognizably Scandinavian “ring” to it. You can do that in English (likely in any Teutonic language) and it makes perfect sense, but evidently you just can’t do the same thing in Spanish.

That’s not to say no other language has literary forms to it, but when one approaches any language with different “modes” of speaking, they don’t necessarily translate well into any other language. I think the irregular nature of English makes it a tough language to learn really well if you aren’t born into it.

Interesting.
 
My favorite is “alot.” I’ve seen that in so many places, written by so many people. Also the apostrophes which are inserted to indicate a plural number of nouns. So I see: “Alot of the rabbit’s ran down the holes and were saved to.” Why are the words “rabbit’s” and “holes” being used in the same sentence? “There are to cat’s and three dogs and their hungry alot.” Uh huh, right. I’ve started seeing that in ads now. I think the English language has developed into “High English” and “Low English.”
The inappropriate use of apostrophes gets under my skin too, as do a lot of misused words. My favorite, though, was once when a lady who was writing something asked me how to spell what sounded like “beunnzuz”. I asked her several times to repeat it, and then it dawned on me: She was writing “Beings as you are going to do so and so…” :eek::eek::eek:

I think you’re right about “high English” and “low English”. But when I was a kid, “low English” was “Hillbilly English”, and you knew what to expect of it. But now, non-hillbillies butcher the language at least as badly but have no cultural excuse for it. Sometimes one is tempted to despair. 😦
 
More important today would be Chinese and Arabic and the major European languages, I believe.
This is exactly what I was going to post.

The USA is missing the boat on Chinese and Arabic, these are very important languages in the modern world and not very commonly studied.
 
Actually, in learning a second language one learns more about one’s language than one would in studying only one’s own language. It’s a paradox, but it’s true. I learned a LOT about English when I took French in High School. I forgot most of the French, but I am fluent in Spanish now.
I agree, but studying a second language is probably beyond the grasp of someone who may not even be able to scrawl out a list of things to pick up at the grocery store.

Search Youtube for “latin life of brian” and enjoy. 😃
 
But that’s not how most public schools work. Second languages are generally introduced in high school.
That may be the case in your area, but studied Spanish in Junior High over 40 years ago.

It would have been far better if I was 4 or 5 years old. Learning multiple languages is easier for the young, and easier to develop an un-accented pronunciation.
 
It would have been far better if I was 4 or 5 years old. Learning multiple languages is easier for the young, and easier to develop an un-accented pronunciation.
I think that’s true if the child is learning in a natural environment (as in say you take a 4 year old from his home in New York and transplant them to Shanghai for a year) but I’m a little skeptical about the limitations of classroom-based learning when the child doesn’t hear the language outside of the classroom. And on top of that they’re probably less motivated than adults who are driven to study a language on their own initiative.

Not that I’m opposed to kids studying languages, I just wouldn’t expect all but an extraordinary few to achieve anything close to fluency, or even functionality.
 
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Apparently nobody will be forced to take the Arabic classes.
But what a lot of you might know is that there are a lot of people in this area (I’m in Dallas too) are really interested in learning Arabic. There’s at least one, maybe two full-time Arabic schools for kids, and even an independent full-time secondary program which boasts over 50 students right now in its first year. So this is just another alternative for students who might not be able to afford a private school but still want to learn Arabic.
Good. Then let these persons desirous of learning this arabic go there. I do NOT want my tax dollars being spent to educate kids in in this particular language and culture. That’s what HOME, private schools and college are for. American public schools are graduating kids who can’t even read or write English or do arithmetic but are now going to add arabic to the schools?!?
Who’s going to monitor these arabic “classes” to be sure only language is being taught and not muslim indoctrination? Because once it’s a done deal, no one will be able to complain without being labled a “racist” or a “bigot”…
And private school? So what? When I was a kid (granted, a zillion years ago :rolleyes:), kids went after their school day to “Greek school” and “Hebrew school”. There they were taught the languages in which their parents wanted them to be proficient. It was not considered that the public schools should be teaching these languages, along with their culture.
BTW, is ebonics still being taught in the Oakland, CA public schools? :mad:
 
May one ask why not with regards to this particular language? If children had learnt Russian during the Cold War would have they have automatically been inclined to become Communist? You seem to be using Arabic culture to mean Muslim culture here
Russian language was not mandatory in the elementary and intermediate schools during the cold war. Not would it have been tolorated. I well remember that period. Further, German language study was taken out of the public schools during WWI, according to my grandmother.

Who is to know what indoctrinated children would have or not have become since it did not happen. Pure speculation.

Why open that gate? Do you not know how impressionable small children are?

And. Arabic culture and Islamic culture are, nowadays, very closely linked. That’s not to say ALL Arabians or Arabic speakers are muslims but I’d bet that 9 out of 10 are. Pure speculation, again, of course.
 
A little respect please. 🙂 Had it not been for “the land of the free”, you would probably be speaking German or Russian right now…exclusively.
 
A little respect please. 🙂 Had it not been for “the land of the free”, you would probably be speaking German or Russian right now…exclusively.
Amen, Brother!

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
 
A little respect please. 🙂 Had it not been for “the land of the free”, you would probably be speaking German or Russian right now…exclusively.
I don’t think so…

The “land of the free” hasn’t existed for a long time, if it ever existed at all.
 
BTW, is ebonics still being taught in the Oakland, CA public schools? :mad:
Wow, that is a blast from the past. :o

Back in 1996-97, the Oakland (California) School Board voted to recognize Ebonics (African-American Vernacular English) as a distinct language. The plans was not to teach Ebonics, or give instruction in Ebonics. The idea was to develop curricula which would help students make the transition to Standard English. The school board hoped that their vote would qualify Oakland for federal funds like those given to help students from Spanish speaking homes.

But as many Americans remember, there was a political firestorm and no great support from for this idea from anywhere but Oakland. In the absence of federal or state funds, the plans were shelved.
americanheritage.com/articles/web/20061218-ebonics-oakland-education-inner-city-schools-slang.shtml
 
I don’t think so…

The “land of the free” hasn’t existed for a long time, if it ever existed at all.
Sad but true. 😦

Today, I think a lot of what is called patriotism is nothing less than sheer idolatry. It’s one thing to love your country, it’s another to deny that it’s not perfect or has flaws. Doing that makes it a god, an idol. On the other hand, to love your country, then you realize that 'love does not rejoice in iniquity but rejoices in the truth." I subscribe to this idea, which is far more realistic and much more Christian:

“I love my country when it’s right and when it’s wrong, I work to right it.”
 
Sad but true. 😦

Today, I think a lot of what is called patriotism is nothing less than sheer idolatry. It’s one thing to love your country, it’s another to deny that it’s not perfect or has flaws. Doing that makes it a god, an idol. On the other hand, to love your country, then you realize that 'love does not rejoice in iniquity but rejoices in the truth." I subscribe to this idea, which is far more realistic and much more Christian:

“I love my country when it’s right and when it’s wrong, I work to right it.”
Very well put (and I believe this is the first time we have agreed on anything - yay!!!). 🙂
 
Oh, absolutely! You really don’t expect to put “the land of the free” in quotation marks and not get any blowback from Americans, do you? You surely know how jingoistic we can be. 😉 Many of us may be of European origin and still have an affection for Europe, but we have our own sacred cows just as you do and “land of the free” is one of them.

Not being unfriendly here, pardner. Just making the observation. That’s why I :).
 
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