"mandatory" sacramental prep classes

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The Diocese of Pittsburgh document on Homeschooling, including how it relates to sacramental prep:

diopitt.org/sites/default/files/FaithEducationHome.pdf

Overall, it’s fairly well written. There a few comments sprinkled throughout that makes me think a couple of the folks on the committee weren’t big fans of homeschooling, but most of them were and as I said overall it’s well done.

The bottom line, which the document points out is this part at the end, and applies to all Catholics in any diocese:
136.2 A candidate whose parents do not participate in special programs may
not for this reason be deprived of the right to eucharistic Communion (Code
of Canon Law 843; 912).
and
105.2 A candidate whose parents do not participate in special programs may
not for this reason be deprived of the right to confirmation (Code of Canon
Law 843, 912).
Pastors and Bishops definitely do have a role and responsibilities in Sacramental prep. They can determine if a candidate is qualified. However, they can not require a specific program of preparation- mandatory classes, specific text books, etc.

Pax
 
I still think that some of preparation is needed for all sacraments with the exception of the anointing of the sick.

If parents are required to go to a class before their child is baptized or before 2 people marry in the church must do the same as examples, the same should apply for those wishing to get the Eucharist for the time, be confirmed, and go for their First Confession/Penance. People need to understand the commitment they are undertaking no matter if they are a child, teen or adult.

A parish I visited that does the EF on Sundays and Holy Days specifically says on their site what is required for sacramental preparation for Baptism (for both the parents & godparents) and Matrimony (for engaged couples). For First Penance, First Communion, and Confirmation the website says for each sacrament what they should know and understand prior to reception. Keep in mind, children get First Penance and Communion in the 2nd grade at that parish with Penance being first then Communion. Confirmation most likely happens a few years later as they ask more out of them to know.
 
Parents have the right and the primary responsibility to teach the faith of the Church to their children. Nobody can take that right away. However, that does not imply exclusivity at all, even more it would be completely wrong to assume exclusivity because pastors have the obligation to provide appropriate catechesis.

I think that is really a bad idea to keep children away from common catechetical instruction because it sends a lot of wrong messages. If a parent has an issue with the orthodoxy or the quality of the instruction provided in the parish, then such a parent has a moral obligation to stand up and help to solve the issue. It is not a Christian behavior to help the spiritual development of their own children but to leave other children’s souls at risk because nobody wants to get involved in hard discussions. The Church is one body and we should act as a one body, we must do our best to support each other in our relationship with Christ. We have to do that under the authority of out pastor and of our bishop.

My point is that is you have a beef with someone you follow the instructions as explained in the Gospel. Isolationism can easily turn into a schismatic activity.
 
I tech CCD and know that in our parish parents can home school them. It is encouraged however that children of the same age discuss the same material. It is truly amazing to see how 6th grade boys develop questions from their peers questions and comments. I consitantly push them to think about the material in their life. Frankly, i dicarded the activity book years ago.
 
I would welcome the opportunity to do both. After all yes the Eucharist is the Real Presence but it is also about entering into community. How is one to get to know a community without a chance to ever interact. These types of classes may be a great time for your children to spend time with the other children in the parish speaking about something they have in common - the Sacrament they are preparing for. What a life changing event that they can share. But that is me - I would rather see the positive here and not the negative.
 
Parents have the right and the primary responsibility to teach the faith of the Church to their children. Nobody can take that right away. However, that does not imply exclusivity at all, even more it would be completely wrong to assume exclusivity because pastors have the obligation to provide appropriate catechesis.

I think that is really a bad idea to keep children away from common catechetical instruction because it sends a lot of wrong messages. If a parent has an issue with the orthodoxy or the quality of the instruction provided in the parish, then such a parent has a moral obligation to stand up and help to solve the issue. It is not a Christian behavior to help the spiritual development of their own children but to leave other children’s souls at risk because nobody wants to get involved in hard discussions. The Church is one body and we should act as a one body, we must do our best to support each other in our relationship with Christ. We have to do that under the authority of out pastor and of our bishop.

My point is that is you have a beef with someone you follow the instructions as explained in the Gospel. Isolationism can easily turn into a schismatic activity.
I think the problem that many of us have is how far do we go in sacrificing our children while we work to make the programs better for more children? Changing a program is a slow process. It is a Christian duty, you are correct, to work for that change. But I don’t think it is fulfilling our duty as parents to make our children go through bad catechesis while we are working for change.
Students who receive homeschooling for their religious education for any reason should sit with the priest or someone in the church’s religious education department **without a parent nearby **to demonstrate the same readiness as those who attend classes in a group setting.
I just saw this. I hope you meant to say “with” a parent nearby. :eek: Any priest or religious ed person who tried to have a meeting with a child to which the parent was excluded would find himself in serious hot water with the diocese!
 
…But I don’t think it is fulfilling our duty as parents to make our children go through bad catechesis while we are working for change…
You sit with your child in the classes and challenge the instructor. I did that all the time, now that I am the instructor I ask the parents to sit in the class and to challenge me when they think that I am wrong. Just remember to use charity when challenging the instructor because the goal is not to put the person to shame but to increase the learning for everybody.

Sooner or later our children are going to be exposed to wrong or misrepresented ideas. The best way is to teach them to use critical thinking and to search the appropriate references.
 
You sit with your child in the classes and challenge the instructor. I did that all the time, now that I am the instructor I ask the parents to sit in the class and to challenge me when they think that I am wrong. Just remember to use charity when challenging the instructor because the goal is not to put the person to shame but to increase the learning for everybody.

Sooner or later our children are going to be exposed to wrong or misrepresented ideas. The best way is to teach them to use critical thinking and to search the appropriate references.
We had one mom that did that. I am not sure it’s the best option because it sort of sends the message to the other kids that they can’t trust their teachers.

In any case, it wouldn’t work for me because I am teaching another grade at the same time my kids are supposed to be in class (doing that money where my mouth is thing). Not to mention that I can’t bilocate and be in two grades at the same time. 😉

At best, if the child is getting good catechesis at home, the class will be a waste of time. At worst, the child will be put on the spot defending Church teaching while being outnumbered. That might be a good “character building” exercise for a high school student but not fair at all to a second or third grader.
 
I would welcome the opportunity to do both. After all yes the Eucharist is the Real Presence but it is also about entering into community. How is one to get to know a community without a chance to ever interact. These types of classes may be a great time for your children to spend time with the other children in the parish speaking about something they have in common - the Sacrament they are preparing for. What a life changing event that they can share. But that is me - I would rather see the positive here and not the negative.
i would agree with you here… our older kids went from Catholic grade school to public high school and do not attend CCD. I feel like we are definitely missing that community that we had at the Catholic school. Our problem with CCD program is that it is only 20 weeks long, there are evenings set aside for confession and Christmas parties, and the materials for classes leave a lot of room for teacher error. With full schedules, my kids don’t have the time to sit in the classes AND do the classes over again at home.

I would love to offer a CCD class and “do my part”, but I am already busy making up for the other holes in the public school (we need to “CCD” around their literature and history, too) and helping to keep the Catholic K-8 open that our other 5 kids go to.
 
I Keep in mind, children get First Penance and Communion in the 2nd grade at that parish with Penance being first then Communion. .
That order ( Penance first, followed by First Holy Communion), are required by Canon Law

So ALL Roman Catholic parishes should be doing it in that order.

The one possible exception is that the bishop may require that Confirmation occur in 2nd grade as well.

If so, the correct order is Confession, Confirmation and then Holy Communion.
 
I think that is really a bad idea to keep children away from common catechetical instruction because it sends a lot of wrong messages. If a parent has an issue with the orthodoxy or the quality of the instruction provided in the parish, then such a parent has a moral obligation to stand up and help to solve the issue. It is not a Christian behavior to help the spiritual development of their own children but to leave other children’s souls at risk because nobody wants to get involved in hard discussions. The Church is one body and we should act as a one body, we must do our best to support each other in our relationship with Christ. We have to do that under the authority of out pastor and of our bishop.

My point is that is you have a beef with someone you follow the instructions as explained in the Gospel. Isolationism can easily turn into a schismatic activity.
It is an interesting point. However, I think you are jumping to the conclusion that doing catechism as part of homeschool is mutually exclusive from helping improve the catechism instruction of other children. I don’t think that’s the case. Nothing prevents a parent from working to improve the group classes at the same time they homeschool their own children. Rather, I think exercising the right to homeschool your children is PART OF, trying to improve things for other children.

Your comments also seem to suppose that homeschooling does not allow for group activity. On the contrary, homeschool children often get together with other homeschool families for group activities.

Finally, I agree that we must respect the authority of our priests, bishops, and Pope. Providing home catechism instead of attending “official” catechism at the Parish IS respecting that authority. As I pointed out, it’s the Canon Law. It’s also the policy of my Bishop. If a parish tries to impose restrictions and requirements on parents and children that are in violation of the Canon law, it is the Parish, not the parent who is failing to respect the authority of the Church.

Pax and God Bless.
 
It is an interesting point. However, I think you are jumping to the conclusion that doing catechism as part of homeschool is mutually exclusive from helping improve the catechism instruction of other children. I don’t think that’s the case. Nothing prevents a parent from working to improve the group classes at the same time they homeschool their own children. Rather, I think exercising the right to homeschool your children is PART OF, trying to improve things for other children.

Your comments also seem to suppose that homeschooling does not allow for group activity. On the contrary, homeschool children often get together with other homeschool families for group activities.

Finally, I agree that we must respect the authority of our priests, bishops, and Pope. Providing home catechism instead of attending “official” catechism at the Parish IS respecting that authority. As I pointed out, it’s the Canon Law. It’s also the policy of my Bishop. If a parish tries to impose restrictions and requirements on parents and children that are in violation of the Canon law, it is the Parish, not the parent who is failing to respect the authority of the Church.

Pax and God Bless.
Forgive me if you’ve already mentioned this in this thread or in another, but do you homeschool in general, or are you looking to homeschool just for the preparation for the sacraments? I’m just trying to get a better understanding of where you are coming from.

You are in the Pittsburgh Diocese correct? So am I and I do know of one family in my parish that did pursue homeschooling for preparation for confirmation and was completely supported by our priest and Bishop Zubick. I also know of another family that goes to the next local parish and had to appeal to the Bishop because the priest was absolutely against homeschooling. The student from my parish situation is now thoroughly involved in our parish youth group and the Diocese youth ministry, so it didn’t hinder his social interaction with his peers at all.
 
We homeschool all together. That’s give you a better idea of who I am, but it is irrelevant to the question of sacramental prep. Simply because parents might choose to send their child to public or private school, doesn’t mean they lose the right to provide religious instruction for their children at home.

Pax and God Bless.
 
We homeschool all together. That’s give you a better idea of who I am, but it is irrelevant to the question of sacramental prep. Simply because parents might choose to send their child to public or private school, doesn’t mean they lose the right to provide religious instruction for their children at home.

Pax and God Bless.
I didn’t mean to put you on the defensive with my question. Just trying to understand where you were coming from a little bit better. Sorry if I upset you in some way. I never intended to give the opinion that parents don’t have the right to provide religious instruction for their children at home. Just trying to offer you some support with some similar situations as yours.

Parents should always have educational options, be it for the religious education or their primary education or a combination of both. We homeschool (cyber school) but choose our CCD program for religious education.
 
It is an interesting point. However, I think you are jumping to the conclusion that doing catechism as part of homeschool is mutually exclusive from helping improve the catechism instruction of other children. I don’t think that’s the case. Nothing prevents a parent from working to improve the group classes at the same time they homeschool their own children. Rather, I think exercising the right to homeschool your children is PART OF, trying to improve things for other children.

Your comments also seem to suppose that homeschooling does not allow for group activity. On the contrary, homeschool children often get together with other homeschool families for group activities.
I think that you are clearly missing my point by not quoting the very first part of my post where I said:
Parents have the right and the primary responsibility to teach the faith of the Church to their children. Nobody can take that right away. However, that does not imply exclusivity at all, even more it would be completely wrong to assume exclusivity because pastors have the obligation to provide appropriate catechesis.
That means that teaching the faith at home is an essential obligation and homeschooling is consistent with that obligation. I think that home school associations and interactions among home schooled children are common and a good thing. However, it still sends the wrong message to use them to substitute the parish communal activity when it comes to catechetical instruction. My point is that keeping children away from the parish communal teaching effort is wrong, but that does not imply that the parish communal teaching effort should be the only source of catechetical instruction for children. It is not an “either or” scenario but it has to be both.

My child receives his primary catechetical instruction at home, then at his Catholic school, and then during Sunday classes at the parish. He finds that the communal activities are not as solid as he wished for but he still chooses, year after year, to be involved in those because it is part of being the Church. He firmly believes that as a family we have an obligation to participate in the Church life and to improve what is lacking.
 
Part of being Catholic and being ready for the Sacrament of Holy Communion is willingness to put aside our own personal preferences and obey the Church.

The priest has asked the parishioners to send their children to religious education classes. He is not asking the parents to do something sinful. IMO, to disobey the priest would be wrong.

When some families choose not to obey the priest, this sends the message to their children, and also to the “less-devout” families in the parish, that it’s OK to disobey the priest sometimes.

Does the Church give us the “right” to pick and choose which mandates of our priests that we will obey and which we will disobey?

CCD isn’t in the same category as a “church picnic” or a “Bible study.” We are free to attend or not attend these events. The priest does not ask us to attend. He merely allows these activities to commence, and makes it clear that we are invited to attend if we wish.

But your priest has asked that all children attend CCD.

It is clear that he has some motive for asking that all families send their children to CCD. It would be good to know what that motive is, but he is certainly not obligated to share this with all the parents.

I’m guessing that one of his motives is to create an atmosphere of humility and obedience in the parish, and teach children that they must obey their Church. He is making a reasonable request in asking all children to attend CCD.

Perhaps another reason is that he has run across children who were educated about their faith at home, and have been found lacking in knowledge when put to the test, or perhaps have made it obvious that they have been taught things that are incorrect or dubious or quasi-schismatic or sedavacantist. It’s unfortunate for good homeschooling parents that some homeschooling parents are messing it up, but that’s the way it is. The priest would prefer not to take a chance and wants to make sure that ALL the children in his parish are educated correctly and adequately.

Perhaps a third reason is one that other posters have alluded to in posts before this one, namely, to expose less-devout families to families who are devout, with the hope that these less-devout families will be encouraged to strengthen their faith and increase their involvement with the parish. This is a noble and appropriate goal, as we who are the Church should act as one body, not as separate entities. Read through Ephesians 4: 1-16, and note the fervency of St. Paul’s wishes that we all “grow TOGETHER” in Christ.

A fourth reason might be to provide enough monies to continue the CCD program. There may be families who truly can’t afford CCD (especially single parent families where it would not be possible for the children to be educated at home about their faith). When ALL the families in the parish attend, the monies from the better-off families can be used to help those families who are currently in tough financial situations.

At any rate, we should assume the priest has good reasons to make this request, and that he is not trying to take away parental authority, or that he is not a megalomaniac who wants total control over the children.

It would be best to obey the priest and thus set a good example to the children. If the teaching at CCD is excellent, then reinforce it at home. Reading that 4th Chapter of Ephesians will make it clear that God has given teaching gifts to various people in the Church, and it is good for parents to take advantage of God’s generosity and allow these good teachers to help them to raise their children–we can never have too much help when it comes to raising up good, faith-filled children.

If the teaching at CCD is lacking in some way, it will not hurt the children to sit there anyway and learn to deal with less-than-stellar teaching and materials. In various community music venues, I’ve worked with many homeschooled children, and one of the “problems” that we have is that they are often easily-bored and in need of constant stimulation and attention, and sometimes, they are even rude and very willing to voice their objections to the teacher or his/her material. It would be good for homeschooled children to learn that not all situations are interesting or relevant, and that they must often learn to simply sit quietly and try their best to pay attention and get the most out of a dull setting.

If the teaching in the CCD is heretical or contrary to Church teaching, then it would make sense to appeal to the priest and beg him to either improve the CCD or to allow families to do their own teaching at home.

As for the evaluation of children for readiness, this certainly depends on the size of the parish. In our parish, several hundred children make their First Holy Communion each year. There is no way that a priest would have the time to give each child a personal interview to evaluate their readiness. He must depend on the faithful CCD teachers to assess each child throughout the year and give an honest evaluation of their readiness for the Sacrament of Holy Communion. A written test could be administered, but many children, even those with no belief whatsoever, could be “taught the test” and probably score a perfect score.

I hope this opinion is helpful to the OP.
 
It is clear that he has some motive for asking that all families send their children to CCD. It would be good to know what that motive is, but he is certainly not obligated to share this with all the parents.
You raise some very good points. I just want to address this one.

The priest certainly does have an obligation to share his reasons when he is going beyond what the Church herself requires. How else are parents to decide if they should participate in the classes? Most pastors will have good reasons for the rules they make but there are always exceptions. In the end, it is the parents who must determine what is right for their children. If you search the forums, you will find many examples of pastors who went a little overboard with their requirements, especially regarding Sacraments, and were “corrected” only when the parents brought the situation to the attention of the Bishop or the Vatican.

If soemething doesn’t seem right, ask the pastor. Listen respectfully to his reasons. Do your research and then decide.
 
You raise some very good points. I just want to address this one.

The priest certainly does have an obligation to share his reasons when he is going beyond what the Church herself requires. How else are parents to decide if they should participate in the classes? Most pastors will have good reasons for the rules they make but there are always exceptions. In the end, it is the parents who must determine what is right for their children. If you search the forums, you will find many examples of pastors who went a little overboard with their requirements, especially regarding Sacraments, and were “corrected” only when the parents brought the situation to the attention of the Bishop or the Vatican.

If soemething doesn’t seem right, ask the pastor. Listen respectfully to his reasons. Do your research and then decide.
While my son was in Confirmation class, the reason seemed to be “that is the way it has always been done,” The local church really couldn’t back up anything that they did.

Since that time, the entire class has been revamped. Hopefully there won’t be a retreat where afterwards another mom ends up seeing a picture of her son holding a girl he doesn’t know in his arms. :eek:(And the pastor and CCD director seemed fine with it. It was an ice breaker, ya know. :rolleyes:) All i can say is I bet it broke the ice.
 
Keep in mind that pastors are also dealing with parents who simply want to get their kids sacramental punch card hole punched for the Sacraments of Initiation with as little work as possible. This is why some diocese and some parishes have these types of policies. If they don’t, the fear is that parents will do the minimum to get by and the kid will never darken the door of a catechetical classroom again (and likely never consistently go to Mass either).

I’m sure many pastors have an aversion to those who come to them with an “I-know-more-about-passing-on-the-Catholic-faith-than-you-do” attitude.

1ke posted the relevant canons. It isn’t 100% clear cut. Many pastors make the argument that mandating participation in the catechetical program is how they fulfill their canonical duty to ensure the children are properly prepared. I think you can certainly make a case for homeschooling, but I would be careful about pushing too hard too fast. I would discuss my feelings and desires with him in the most non-confrontational way possible.
 
I wouldn’t disobey the pastor, but I also wouldn’t go down without a fight. It is true that he might have a reason. Why not ask him what the reason is, and then if possible, present your case as to why the reason does not apply to you.

Re: the two year requirement - what would the pastor do if a child came to their church from another church. Let’s say that child participated in religious ed classes in first grade, but at the other church. Would that first year of classes be acceptable? If so, then why wouldn’t a first year of catechesis at home be acceptable, as long as certain standards are met. This is the case I would argue with my pastor.

Sadly, even an orthodox church can have a terrible catechesis program. Our church uses minimal materials for 2nd grade - 2 booklets, one for each of the 2 sacraments being received. And according to my dd, who took the class last year, they rarely discussed doctrine or theology, but spent most of it watching movies and preparing for their “big day” by learning lyrics and choreography to the big song they sang at the First Communion Mass (which by the way was a non-religious song). Without extensive direction from the pastor/DRE, the classes will only be as good as the volunteer teachers. I could go on and on about the ways that the faith is undermined, but I won’t. I have offered to teach the class, but they don’t need me this year. I will probably continue to enroll my kids in the class for 2nd grade, but the religious ed classes are a major imposition on my family’s time together (something that helps grow the faith). And since the classes have at best little effect, and at worst, a negative impact on the faith of my children, and because I am providing my children with a strong religious ed. program at home, I would fight very hard to not be forced into participating for two years. I would be fighting FOR my family and their faith, which is different than fighting to get away with doing the easy thing.
 
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