Mandatory vaccinations vs moral objection

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Vaccines are available at free government clinics, and some programs actually go door to door to vaccinate children, adults and animals. My mother in law was recruited to give vaccines. The ladies that did that received training, a small stipend, and supplies. It also made the family eligible for a food supplement program. The ladies also were able to have a small regular income because in some places drs prescribe vitamin shots and other medicines in shot form. The patient would then seek out one of the ladies of the town that is trained to administer the shots and pay her for her service.
 
That vaccinations are offered and available is not something I am arguing. What I am saying is that people in the height of poverty with absolutely no acceptable living situation that are risking lives of children to escape into the US and are breaking laws to do so are “vaccinated”
How would something like a school even check on this? An undocumented illegal alien has up to date vaccination records!?

Come on!
 
It isn t laughable.
Check it out nation by nation before laughing,
Mandatory and free for school to the extent that I am aware of.
 
Ok I see your point. I’m not sure how a school could check on that. But the vaccines can be gotten for free at least in many areas. And there hasn’t been an outbreak of measles or mumps at the border that I am aware of. Other illnesses yes, but haven’t heard about vaccine preventable besides flu.
 
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Ok I see your point. I’m not sure how a school could check on that. But the vaccines can be gotten for free at least in many areas. And there hasn’t been an outbreak of measles or mumps at the border that I am aware of. Other illnesses yes, but haven’t heard about vaccine preventable besides flu.
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This is kind of my point. People freak out about a family not vaccinating and equate it with child abuse and yet there is a flood of millions who are not vaccinated for many things and there is no real problem… Hmmmmm
 
Its laughable that there are millions of poverty stricken people who are flooding the border who have no documentation and people assume they followed some law to become vaccinated?

Good grief we don’t even know who’s child belongs to who sometimes. But yeah… chickenpox vaccine and others yep… They have been magically vaccinated by the third world starving corrupt governments they are fleeing that are trying to kill them… ok…
 
People that have no proof of vaccinations, or maybe they do. I don’t know what they have. I know most parents are not anti vaccine in most of the communities and actually welcome them. I also know that it is safe to “revaccinate” if there is a question. Many soldiers are vaccinated repeatedly for the same things before going overseas, and pregnant moms are given the dtap even if they had one a year (or less) before. I got one with both my girls. They are less than a year apart in age. So it’s possible that will be how the schools handle things. They will just revaccinate maybe
 
They do vaccinate. And most of the vaccines are free. As of 15 years ago, some countries were still giving small pox vaccines. I was vaccinated for small pox and so was my husband. Two different countries. We have the scars on our upper arms to prove it too.
 
Schools do care.
There are generally many small buildings, we call them “ salitas” and hospitals where children receive vaccines.
Schools, teachers take care that this is done. It is health and it is important. Children are important for schools and parents
 
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Those that go to school sure. I wonder what the vaccination blood work of the migrant workers in the fields are? that move from state to state and country to country all the time with no valid proof of who they are. Picking that apple you are about to bite into…

Or… Vaccinations are a good thing, not as evil as the antivaxers think but not as important as the vaxers freak out about…
 
I’m not saying we DONT vaccinate immigrants, I’m saying there is NO WAY to tell at any given moment how many millions of people are unvaccinated because of illegal immigration. And yet… we all seem to be ok… For now…
 
Ilegal and adults, I do not know nor can speak for every nation but if legal, each country has its vaccine requirements per individual country upon entry.
 
Babies are vaccinated just like babies in the US. It isn’t just done at schools.

I don’t care either way about vaccines personally. I vaccinate mine but don’t care if someone else vaccinates theirs. It just wrong to place the migrants in the middle of this debate. They have been politicized enough. There is no reason to put them in a vaccine fight for either side.
 
One thing I’ve noticed is that Catholic parishes have a ton of outreach to these people who are “less than” Now I may or may not agree politically (actually politically I’m with trump on this) but it is my and our duty as Catholics to care for people. That is why our parishes are safe havens for all and why we assist all. I have no problem deporting any and all illegal immigrants as a government and society. But the Church is not an arm of the government, at least it shouldn’t be. So because of this many parishes are a good place to see and interact with refugees and illegals. I encourage all to do so. To talk to them. And you will see that most would never have had the opportunity to vaccinate or keep up to date with vaccinations. Some have no record of ever being born. Probably to save their lives.

But it doesn’t fit this view… this lie that we tell ourselves because of the politics we believe. It is why both sides of the issue have taken to extremes that are ridiculous. Forget your own child and decision for a minute. There are not many antivaxers who would slap a needle out of the arm of a poor family seeking treatment at a free clinic. And there aren’t many vaxers who would rip a child from the arms of a refugee mother because she hasn’t the documentation of vaccines required for them to drink from the same drinking fountain as the vaxers child.

Bottom line. It is a choice that a parent makes in the best interest of the child. We may disagree with that choice but we need to stop policing others who are acting in their own conscience.

Vaccines
Breastfeeding
homeschool
daycare
etc.
Some serious hatred for our fellow man because of idiotic extreme positions on these MINOR issues

Meanwhile our kids are being sexually assaulted by the media and the schools and our own Church…
But by all means lets fight about a flu shot.
 
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I don’t care either way about vaccines personally. I vaccinate mine but don’t care if someone else vaccinates theirs. It just wrong to place the migrants in the middle of this debate. They have been politicized enough. There is no reason to put them in a vaccine fight for either side.
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Personally we are the same. My kids are vaccinated, but many of our friends are not.
But the politicization is natural. it is a glaring example of the inconsistencies of the hysterics on both sides.
  1. refugees and others are not spreading diseases among themselves or others at alarming rates and many are not vaccinated. So if Susie Homemaker doesn’t vaccinate little Johnny because of something a celebrity said… That really is not a big deal.
  2. Refugees and others are a wildcard and we have no idea even what country or continent people in our country have come from, what their past was and what their medical history and exposure is. We should know, and we should attempt offer them basic care including vaccines.
Neither position needs to be a huge scandal. To me they are common sense.
 
Adults aren’t normally required to be vaccinated unless they work in the medical field so most of those field workers, legal or illegal, probably haven’t had a vaccination since they got out of school.
I worked in immunization at the local health dept and have translated enough vaccination records to know that their schedule is nearly universal.
Most do travel with whatever records they have, birth certificates, marriage licenses and immunizations records
 
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Vaccines
Breastfeeding
homeschool
daycare
etc.
Some serious hatred for our fellow man because of idiotic extreme positions on these MINOR issues

Meanwhile our kids are being sexually assaulted by the media and the schools and our own Church…
But by all means lets fight about a flu shot.
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Flu shots don’t have aborted cells, so that’s irrelevant. You want to gaslight this post and ignore the infants who were actually assaulted in order to make parts of those vaccines, passively inject foreign/untested DNA by all means do so. As Christians on this forum we will absolutely not agree on this as being morally acceptable though. What’s idiotic and extreme is trying to tell another person it’s morally and ethically okay to inject other’s abortions. You can end that right there. Breastfeeding, homeschool, daycare, are additionally not the topics of this post.
 
That is a good point about adults. We don’t check vaccination records at grocery stores or fast food restaurants do we? Nope. Yet we lay that produce down in the same space a dirty diaper bottom was sitting 15 minutes ago… and yet… my dinner is delicious and my burger was perfecto!
 
No one is “injecting other women’s aborted babies” into themselves, for Heaven’s sake. The vaccines are, at worst, cultured in cell lines descended from an aborted fetus’ cells. The cells themselves aren’t injected into anyone. Even if they were, it would be no worse than the organs or tissues of a murder victim being used to save others — a good thing, without making the murder itself a good thing. No one is aborting kids who would otherwise have lived in order to culture vaccines in their cells.
 
I agree with much of what you say here and can much appreciate the rest even though I may disagree.

I just really doubt that most have not vaccinated at all because of how many programs there are for that. It is one thing most countries in the region are actually ahead of the US on, the availability of free vaccines. Even the indigenous towns like where my husband grew up have people go door to door. Rabies is a problem and they vaccinate the animals too for that reason. More opportunities exist than many Americans may be aware of. And if there is no proof it is not a problem to vaccinate again.

I apologize for not fully understanding your point earlier. It just sounded as if you were implying all migrants are dirty and carry diseases like stray puppies. I still don’t think we should place them in this fight for either side. Many of these people have never been allowed to have their own voices heard before. We shouldn’t attempt to be speaking for them on this issue either.
 
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