Mandatory vaccinations vs moral objection

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It isn’t always that easy. Undocumented workers if they could even be Located would almost never voluntarily submit to a blood test. And in just my very upscale privileged life it took a year to find out exactly what vaccinations they had or didn’t have. We moved from one state to another, fully covered with medical insurance, taking each kid yearly for a “free” checkup and yet my 9 year old had an inaccurate record that they could not find. She swore she had “shots” but who can believe a 9 year old trying to get out of a poke! Both doctors were connected to hospital chains that had “mychart” which is a online medical record keeping site that you can manage from your phone. High tech. Great hospitals and infinitely better medical care than a third world person fleeing war, corruption, starvation or poverty. after a year of not knowing, we finally just decided that any vaccinations she should have had that were ok to have again (there are some that are not) she would just have. Made the appointment and when my daughter again insisted she had already had them the doctor checked one last time and by some miracle (from my daughters perspective) he found they had been entered not even on HER chart but another one of my kids. (I know I know I have a lot of kids) So he came in and proudly informed her she was up to date.

So that is an example of a “rich” privileged, covered, top notch american white medically treated by awesome doctors child and the vaccination record.

Come to think of it it is a crap shoot whenever we go to a doctor if we have accurate charts of immunizations for any of our kids…

But sure… I’m sure the undocumented family who camped, ducked, dodged, swam, and came here in the dead of night submitted for blood samples… I mean that was not even offered to us!
 
TheLittleLady said:
These people have no clue how Hep B is transferred
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She has a point, if you’ve been following Robert F Kennedy Jr and his speeches and his legal teams findings on these vaccines, Hep B is one of those the company had fast tracked, and did not properly conclude any safety studies beforehand. The one you posted came afterwards. Matter a fact, supposedly the vac failed in a number of trials during that short span before it was issued into circulation. They often do this with vaccines; shingles, gardasil, etc. irresponsible at best, we have good reason to be concerned aside from the abortion ethics topic.
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Lemuel said:
Fortunately they are not.
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I know they are not. They should be and there should be severe penalties for parents who do not vaccinate their children. Its child neglect and endangerment not to vaccinate.
 
thistle said:
YES. Vaccinations for all childhood diseases should be made mandatory.
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Where there is zero liability from the manufacturer of said product, all product ethically requires choice. Even more-so when said manufacturers are repeated convicted felons. Consent will not be passed to another to delegate impunity, sorry.
 
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Maezck said:
Where there is zero liability from the manufacturer of said product, all product ethically requires choice. Even more-so when said manufacturers are repeated convicted felons. Consent will not be passed to another to delegate impunity, sorry.
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I repeat my opinion. Vaccinations for all childhood diseases should be mandatory.
 
thistle said:
I repeat my opinion. Vaccinations for all childhood diseases should be mandatory.
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That violates a number of ethics codes, human rights principles, and medical rights. Luckily it’s just your opinion, which is not even relevant to this convo. Good luck
 
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I ve been to their homes.They are neighbors.
They may have nothing but a table and a couple of chairs less than they need for all they are,and I have seen with my own eyes how they had documentation in a folio( and it is maybe a school oriented way to keep them).
And again we are all alike : children are children and mandatory is mandatory in my neck of the woods whether you go by limo or by mule to school.
I cannot see why the difference in terms of vaccination when there is the same country of origin, whether by plane or walking.
It isn’t a matter of belief, it may be checked out
 
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thistle said:
I repeat my opinion. Vaccinations for all childhood diseases should be mandatory.
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Thank goodness for the sake of my children, you’re not in charge.

And my kids don’t need to read this thread to know how I feel about it. We talk about it with them all the time. They are very aware of the dangers of vaccinations.
 
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Lemuel said:
Thank goodness for the sake of my children, you’re not in charge.
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Amen. Especially with a number of Drs even stating they won’t even give their own kids certain vaccines for the risk of injury or damage does not outweigh any benefits. The trials are bunk in a few of them anyways. Thank you for speaking to your kids about these issues too!
 
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What about adult diseases?

Less than 10% of adult Canadians are up-to-date on their vaccines. What specific punishment would mete out to 90%+ of Canadians?
 
Deal with your fears perhaps?
We all have to at some point…we are human…
 
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To backtrack, @thistle believes that the state should tear my daughter apart from her us - her rightful family - place her in state custody, and imprison my husband and me . . . . because she has not yet had her first dose of the Gardasil vaccine for three strains of an STD.

It’s OK to find that scary. Or just odd.
 
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I suppose everybody has to. Including those who think the zombie apocalypse is one home school family away… LOL
Just happy that we have protections from tyranny.
 
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Lemuel said:
They are very aware of the dangers of vaccinations.
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Are they aware that the Earth is round? Children in some families also were "aware of the dangers of Jews, or of Christians.
Ninety-three percent of the surveyed physicians agree with the current official vaccination recommendations and would apply them to their own children.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16263976

Reading the outcome of this anonymous survey of people who actually know what they are talking about, even the variations in the recommended regiment were small differences, and limited to non-pediatricians. In this survey, only the minority, and those more ignorant of the specialty, would disagree with the immunization schedule.

I would note one last time, before I give the anti-vax internet community up as a lost cause, that the initial question only was about the morality when the issue of abortion was introduced.
 
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