Mandel: A never ending hell

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Here is the story of a kid who has suffered 3 serious concussions at the hand of a bully and the bully is set to return back to the same school as where the victim is going to be attending. When his parents go to the School board meeting the Catholic school board says that Fraser should forgive or else he could leave.

What I would like to ask people here is this:

Should politicians ever be criminally responsible for their decisions? If Fraser gets hurt again by this bully, shouldn’t the politicians who have the power, be held responsible for this criminally?
 
JMJSHJ said:
torontosun.com/2012/06/27/mandel-a-never-ending-hell

Here is the story of a kid who has suffered 3 serious concussions at the hand of a bully and the bully is set to return back to the same school as where the victim is going to be attending. When his parents go to the School board meeting the Catholic school board says that Fraser should forgive or else he could leave.

What I would like to ask people here is this:

Should politicians ever be criminally responsible for their decisions? If Fraser gets hurt again by this bully, shouldn’t the politicians who have the power, be held responsible for this criminally?
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The great thing about being a politician is that you can absolve yourself of all culpability from the irresponsible decisions you make.

Look at the flat out criminals we have in office today, Holder, Gaithner, Rangel, et al…who continue to be appointed and elected to office among enthusiastic cheers.
 
How is it that politicians are involved in this? Are they forcing the school to let the bully back in?
 
JMJSHJ said:
torontosun.com/2012/06/27/mandel-a-never-ending-hell

Here is the story of a kid who has suffered 3 serious concussions at the hand of a bully and the bully is set to return back to the same school as where the victim is going to be attending. When his parents go to the School board meeting the Catholic school board says that Fraser should forgive or else he could leave.

What I would like to ask people here is this:

Should politicians ever be criminally responsible for their decisions? If Fraser gets hurt again by this bully, shouldn’t the politicians who have the power, be held responsible for this criminally?
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Yes. Period.
 
St_Francis said:
How is it that politicians are involved in this? Are they forcing the school to let the bully back in?
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The school board members are telling the boy to turn the other cheek and that he should forgive. The bully is not being punished.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
The school board members are telling the boy to turn the other cheek and that he should forgive. The bully is not being punished.
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Ah, I knew the situation in Canada was different, but I thought the school board was attached to the school rather than being the provincial school board and hence politicians.

If that is the case, well, it’s tricky. Yes, if anything further were to happen to the boy as a student at the same school, then yes, for sure I think the school board members who allowed the bully back in should be able to be sued.

However, in that case my child would not be at the school. In fact, if I were the parent of *another *student at the school, my child would not be at that school.

This insanity has also occurred in US schools–I cannot imagine what these people are thinking!
 
JMJSHJ said:
What I would like to ask people here is this:

Should politicians ever be criminally responsible for their decisions? If Fraser gets hurt again by this bully, shouldn’t the politicians who have the power, be held responsible for this criminally?
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You see it all the time in the foster care system in the US. Bureaucrats with the power of life and death sending children back the people that have raped beat and starved them on a regular basis.
 
It is hard to tell in the article what happened, as it is heavily editorial in nature. I will see if I can find one that reports the story. Off-hand, it doesn’t look like any politicians are involved, or that going back to this school it this child’s only option. If the boy that committed these acts are as bad as it seems, it would be regretful for him to return to any public school.

Still, I am slow to judge based on one side of the story.
 
St_Francis said:
Ah, I knew the situation in Canada was different, but I thought the school board was attached to the school rather than being the provincial school board and hence politicians.

If that is the case, well, it’s tricky. Yes, if anything further were to happen to the boy as a student at the same school, then yes, for sure I think the school board members who allowed the bully back in should be able to be sued.

However, in that case my child would not be at the school. In fact, if I were the parent of *another *student at the school, my child would not be at that school.

This insanity has also occurred in US schools–I cannot imagine what these people are thinking!
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Absolutely! I’d get my kid out of there ASAP! Not to mention some type of self defense classes might be in order for the victim for him to learn to defend himself…

If I had to choose between my child getting in a fight because he was defending himself and winding up dead from brain damage I think I would choose the former pretty quickly.
 
I think… If this happened to my child…and remedial measures were not put into place…I would be taking matters into my own hands…

Not going to say more…:cool:
 
What ever happened to Dad just teaching the kid to fight back? It’s not hard, just go for the throat, eyes and nether-regions.

Parents need to stop wringing their hands and overly-babying their kids. They need to teach them to stand up for themselves and then back them up when the whiny prison wardens…I mean school administrators seek to punish the kid for their inaction in dealing with the bully situation.

One thing I remember from school, is that dealing with the system is the worse. They don’t do anything and you still get bullied. Worse you are looked upon as a weak tattle-tale. However all my bullying problems were solved when I beat the bully to a bloody-pulp.

Hey even Jesus told His disciples to carry a sword.
 
austenbosten said:
What ever happened to Dad just teaching the kid to fight back? It’s not hard, just go for the throat, eyes and nether-regions.

Parents need to stop wringing their hands and overly-babying their kids. They need to teach them to stand up for themselves and then back them up when the whiny prison wardens…I mean school administrators seek to punish the kid for their inaction in dealing with the bully situation.

One thing I remember from school, is that dealing with the system is the worse. They don’t do anything and you still get bullied. Worse you are looked upon as a weak tattle-tale. However all my bullying problems were solved when I beat the bully to a bloody-pulp.

Hey even Jesus told His disciples to carry a sword.
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Some schools carry an immediate expulsion if a student is involved in a fight. There have been a plethora of cases where a person is bullied by multiple parties. That’s why you hear stories of bullied kids taking revenge by bringing a weapon, and I don’t need to elaborate what happens once it gets to that degree. Even in cases where they don’t bring a weapon and they do try to fight back, some only get pummeled for their trouble and the bullying does not cease.

I think what more and more schools should be doing is when a physical altercation does arise, call the police instead of trying to settle it in-house.
 
OU812 said:
Some schools carry an immediate expulsion if a student is involved in a fight. There have been a plethora of cases where a person is bullied by multiple parties. That’s why you hear stories of bullied kids taking revenge by bringing a weapon, and I don’t need to elaborate what happens once it gets to that degree. Even in cases where they don’t bring a weapon and they do try to fight back, some only get pummeled for their trouble and the bullying does not cease.

I think what more and more schools should be doing is when a physical altercation does arise, call the police instead of trying to settle it in-house.
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Yeah I was a victim of the Zero-Tolerance policy. I believe it has killed more kids than drunk driving. As to the police, I strongly disagree. We seriously need to stop trying to bring the government into every little bad thing into our lives.

Call the police for gang-related matters or extreme violent acts. Bullying should not be a police matter…Do we really want our kids to go to jail for bullying or have a record?

We need to let kids be kids and we need to stop thinking like adults when it comes to kids. I know one thing, every fight I was in even if I got attacked by multiple attackers, they would eventually leave me alone.

One thing I know about bullies being both a toady and a victim, is that bullies prey on weak kids who don’t fight back. When you fight back it makes it harder for them to bully you. Also they may have friends, but so do you…get some friends together and fight back. I used to be a rat for my bullying troup. (Kind of like Witness Protection) whenever a kid started to get bullied I would go to my jock friends and rat them out and me and the jock buddies would team up and take on the bullies. What I’m trying to say, is that these things can usually work themselves out if the damned parents and government would just get the frick out of the way and learn how these things works. I mean I’m an adult too, but I didn’t forgot how school worked.
 
I agree that self defense is sometimes necessary, even amongst school children. However I think what occured here goes a little beyond what would be normally considered bullying into the level of flat out assault. Three serious concussions? Suffering a concussion, especially three of them at the hands of a student’s assault is a crime. I think the perpetrator needs to spend some time in juvy personally.

Regardless though, if the school is refusing to take any real action, I would get my kid out of there immediately. My kid going to school there isn’t worth him or her getting maimed or even killed. If you are beating or attacking someone aggressively enough to cause a concussion then one could potentially kill the person. As I said earlier, I’d also sign him up for some type of self defense class too that would give him the confidence and the know how to be able to handle himself in a fight if necessary, these classes also teach the discipline necessary to restrain oneself and avoid conflicts too.
 
FromTheAshes777 said:
I agree that self defense is sometimes necessary, even amongst school children. However I think what occured here goes a little beyond what would be normally considered bullying into the level of flat out assault. Three serious concussions? Suffering a concussion, especially three of them at the hands of a student’s assault is a crime. I think the perpetrator needs to spend some time in juvy personally.

Regardless though, if the school is refusing to take any real action, I would get my kid out of there immediately. My kid going to school there isn’t worth him or her getting maimed or even killed. If you are beating or attacking someone aggressively enough to cause a concussion then one could potentially kill the person. As I said earlier, I’d also sign him up for some type of self defense class too that would give him the confidence and the know how to be able to handle himself in a fight if necessary, these classes also teach the discipline necessary to restrain oneself and avoid conflicts too.
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I agree, I was responding to bullying in general. However cases of extreme violence does require the police to be involved.

I also agree if it were my kid I would pull them out immediately, however I plan on sending my kid to a parochial school and not a Marxist-indoctrinating public* shcrool*
 
austenbosten said:
Yeah I was a victim of the Zero-Tolerance policy. I believe it has killed more kids than drunk driving. As to the police, I strongly disagree. We seriously need to stop trying to bring the government into every little bad thing into our lives.

Call the police for gang-related matters or extreme violent acts. Bullying should not be a police matter…Do we really want our kids to go to jail for bullying or have a record?

We need to let kids be kids and we need to stop thinking like adults when it comes to kids. I know one thing, every fight I was in even if I got attacked by multiple attackers, they would eventually leave me alone.

One thing I know about bullies being both a toady and a victim, is that bullies prey on weak kids who don’t fight back. When you fight back it makes it harder for them to bully you. Also they may have friends, but so do you…get some friends together and fight back. I used to be a rat for my bullying troup. (Kind of like Witness Protection) whenever a kid started to get bullied I would go to my jock friends and rat them out and me and the jock buddies would team up and take on the bullies. What I’m trying to say, is that these things can usually work themselves out if the damned parents and government would just get the frick out of the way and learn how these things works. I mean I’m an adult too, but I didn’t forgot how school worked.
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Methinks the above is not a mechanism I could feel comfortable to rely upon with any certainty.

I also note that not all kids can fight for themselves. Nor should they have to.

There must be a better solution somehow. The need for a solution is imperative.
We all know the damage done at Columbine.
 
austenbosten said:
I agree, I was responding to bullying in general. However cases of extreme violence does require the police to be involved.

I also agree if it were my kid I would pull them out immediately, however I plan on sending my kid to a parochial school and not a Marxist-indoctrinating public* shcrool*
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The kid is in a Catholic school - why do you think he’s been told to forgive?
 
Phemie said:
The kid is in a Catholic school - why do you think he’s been told to forgive?
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Well sadly I attribute that to my ignorance, I didn’t read the article, because I’ve read so many of these sad reports.
 
Nimzovik said:
Methinks the above is not a mechanism I could feel comfortable to rely upon with any certainty.

I also note that not all kids can fight for themselves. Nor should they have to.

There must be a better solution somehow. The need for a solution is imperative.
We all know the damage done at Columbine.
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My take on Columbine was it was attributed towards the medication they were on. Many public schools push kids to be on anti-depressant and ADHD drugs. I can also give my take from experience, these drugs destroy your humanity and make you psychotic.
 
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